youngstown. and the numbers came up for mahoney county, which is where youngstown's located, and donald trump wasad. and the mayor and i who both grew up there and know that mahoney county has never gone republican, certainly since any of us can remember, we just looked at each other with our mouths open and that's when i realized donald trump was going to be the next president. >> it's amazing. >> so i was in new york on election night. and heading toward the trump event which is the hilton on 6th avenue. i run into a very well-connected republican. and it's late in the afternoon. and they're depressed about the exit polls because the exit polls from florida do not look good. >> they look terrible. >> don't win florida it's all over. it's a very early night. and the idea even when trump seemed to be a little bit ahead was there was going to be this big group of voters in broward who were going to come through and win for hillary clinton. so there had been this kind of debate before election day. among some republicans. that they wanted to do trump to do better than mitt romney. romney got 212 el

is that correct? >> we did. >> when you are in the camp of the youngstown camp that of congress was involved, the president is a stronger, not weaker. >> that's right. >> there are some authorities at the president's commander-in-chief has that cannot be taken away by the congress. there are inherent to the job. is that you also? >> there are certainly people who believe that. >> i am one of them. having said that, because you can have 535 commander-in-chief's, senator mccain and myself were trying to pass legislation that basically codified the practices of the bush administration post waterboarding. is that a fair summary of the conflict? >> yes, senator, i believe it is. >> there are people in the bush administration who did not want to go down the road that waterboarding was torture. that was not the deal of senator mccain or myself. at the end of the day, the detainee treatment act codified how we treat enemy combatants with practices we can employ with interrogation standards. it also tried to come up with a system of review. i was in the camp that with past wars, i don't remember any german or japan

is that correct? >> we did. >> and you were in the camp of the youngstown still camp that if congress is involved, the president is stronger, not weaker, is that right? >> that's right, senator. >> but there are some authorities that the commander in chief has that cannot be taken away by the congress. they're inherent with the job. is that true also? >> there is certainly people who believe that, senator. >> well, i am one of them. but having said that, because you can't have 535 commander in chie chiefs, senator mccain and myself were trying to pass legislation that basically cod ified the practices of the bush administration post-water boarding. sthal a fair summary of the conflict? >> yes, senator, i believe it is. >> there were people in the bush administration that did not want to go down the road that water boarding was torture. that was not the view of senator mccain or myself. at the end of the day the detainee treatment act codified how we treat enemy combatants in a time of war in terms of practices we can employ in terms of interrogation standards, is that correct? >> yes. >> it also tried

is that correct? >> we did. >> and you were in the camp of the youngstown steel camp that if congress is involved, the president is stronger, not weaker is that right? >> that's right, senator. >> but there are some authorities that the commander in chief have that cannot be taken away. >> there are certainly people who believe that, senator. >> i am one of them, because you can't have 535 commander in chiefs, senator mccain and myself were trying to pass legislation that basically cot fied the practices of the bush administration post-waterboarding, is that a fair summary of the conflict? >> yes, senator, i believe it is. >> there were people in the bush administration that did not want to go down the road that waterboarding was torture. that was not the view of senator mccain or myself. at the end of the day the detain detainee treatment act codified how we treat enemy combatants in a time of war in practices we can employ in terms of interrogation standards, is that correct? >> yes. >> and it also tried to come up with a system of judicial review. i was in the camp that we're at war and in past war

>> youngstown is my hometown. >> that's the center of this. >> it is. that to me is the center. the beltway. >> anybody here from yungstown? >> why not? >> rick? rick? >> so doing -- >> so heading toward the trump event, on 6th avenue, i run into a well known republican, and it is late in the afternoon and they are pressed about the exit polls because the exit polles from florida don't look good. >> look terrible. >> you don't win florida, you don't win. it is a very early night. and the idea even when trump seemed to be a little bit ahead is there is this big group of voters in broward that would come through and win for hillary clinton. so there has been this debate before election day among some republicans that they wanted trump to do better than mitt romney. romney got 212 electoral votes and so many nef trump republicans had been saying trump would lead the parties, this devastating catastrophic historic defeat. if he does better than mitt romney, he will say hey, doing better than you. but then, so i get to trump, the trump event, and it is early in the evening and i run

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>> senator, as a judge, as a judge, i apply the law and the law here, i think, is youngstown.jackson and justice jackson wrote a brilliant opinion. it's really important to know who he was. >> i wrote a paper. >> i know you did. we talked about it. and here was the fiercest advocate of executive power, when he became a judge he said the robe changes a man or it should. and you go from being advocate to being a neutral adjudicator and the youngstown system of analysis when it comes to presidential power and foreign affairs has three categories, one the president acting with the concurrence of congress. that's when the president is acting at its greatest strength because there are shared responsibilities in the constitution. he has commander in chief power. this has body in article 1. when the congress and the president are in disagreement, that's the other end of the spectrum. the president is acting at the lowest of his authority. when congress is silent, that's the gray area in between. that's how a court as opposed to a lawyer or advocate approaches the problem. >> let's go

buy america means if there is steel in an infrastructure project, it should be made by steelworkers in youngstown or lorain, ohio, or somewhere in ohio. if there is iron in these projects, if there is aluminum in these projects, if there is concrete, if there is any kind of product, it should be made bg for it, it should be made by american workers. our blueprint is central to h.u.d.'s mission. it includes $100 billion to rebuild main street and communities. it includes ideas to address affordable housing challenges to eliminate blighted properties that bring down local property values and remediate lead hazards that threaten children. we're ready to work on real infrastructure. as i said, i'm going to vote for ben carson for secretary of h.u.d. it was -- he is not an inspiring choice, but he's someone who is an accomplished man. i count on him to help us address this terrible lead problem. i count on him to stand with us as he pledged to address the scourge of lead. i count on him to uphold the fair housing act and the housing rights of lgbtq individuals. i count on him to advocate for rental as

is that correct? >> we did. >> and you were in the camp of the youngstown still camp that if congress is involved, the president is stronger, not weaker. is that right? >> that's right, senator. >> but there are some authorities that the president as commander in chief have that cannot be taken away by the congress. th're inherent to the job. is that true also? >> there's certainly people who believe that senar. >> well, i am one of them. but having said that, because you can't have 535 commanders-in chief, senator mccain and myself were trying to pass legislation that basically codified the practices of the bush administration post-waterboarding. is that a fair summary of the conflict? >> yes, senator, i believe it is. >> there were people in the bush administration that did not want to go down the road that waterboarding was torture. that was not the view of senator mccain or myself. at the end of the day, the detainee treatment act codified how we treat enemy combatants at a time of war in terms of for practices we can employ in terms of interrogation standards. is that correct? >> yes. >> and it also tried

is a beautiful idea. all right. okay. all right. nan, youngstown, ohio. mind this your morning? nan, are you there? think i -- sorry. nan, good morning, go ahead, i pushed the wrong button. oh, i do that. healthcare, number one, long,kind of a little bit ut i'm on social security and supplemental. silk, okay.s and this is how they could do care, take the -- based okay, take the premiums. the ove to get rid of insurance companies in general, but take the money out of paychecks, if they want to keep medium and ave low ave them bid , gainst it and then award it to one or two or three companies, okay. the medical should e -- nobody should be making money on people's sickness and a news show about national security and let me one fwe have r f. people, they can't work we have people who have mental issues and they are not dealt can't work. they're not productive members of society. have these ng to people walking around under get es or that can't medical care that could be minor and they could be useful. now i think the rest of the orld thinks we're absolutely out to lunch because we have a based on prof

i don't think it's enough, for example, to say no person is above the law in response to question about the youngstownamework. the dispute ten years ago over torture was not a dispute between people on one side you said we should follow the law, and on the other side people said we should follow the law. everybody claimed the following the law, including the bush administration officials authorize torture. so really i'm hoping in questions for the record the committee will be able to get judge gorsuch to speak more specifically about the role he envisions for the judiciary in the context of national security. >> hope springs eternal, but don't hope too much. i was thinking what ms. massimino, some of my italian background. an italian mother, you would think i could pronounce that correctly. you raised action of the justice department. and i'm very concerned that he declined to answer any questions regarding his role there, what is use, documents indicate the bush administration justify torture, indefinite detention, warrantless surveillance. should we be concerned about that work? >> i think you shoul

buy america means if there is steel in an infrastructure project, it should be made by steelworkers in youngstown or lorain, ohio, or somewhere in ohio. if there is iron in these projects, if there is aluminum in these projects, if there is concrete, if there is any kind of product, it should be made bg for it, it should be made by american workers. our blueprint is central to h.u.d.'s mission. it includes $100 billion to rebuild main street and communities. it includes ideas to address affordable housing challenges to eliminate blighted properties that bring down local property values and remediate lead hazards that threaten children. we're ready to work on real infrastructure. as i said, i'm going to vote for ben carson for secretary of h.u.d. it was -- he is not an inspiring choice, but he's someone who is an accomplished man. i count on him to help us address this terrible lead problem. i count on him to stand with us as he pledged to address the scourge of lead. i count on him to uphold the fair housing act and the housing rights of lgbtq individuals. i count on him to advocate for rental as

is for a reason. to resolve these disputes. and i would approach it as a judge. through the lens of the youngstownanalysis. >> they have set a president could ignore and law -- >> senator, i cannot think of one offhand. >> neither can i. i know the architect of president trumps muslim ben has declared there is no such thing as judicial supremacy.and the powers of the president to protect our country quotes are very substantial and will not be questioned. he was signaling that the president could ignore judicial orders. any president, do they have to comply with a court order?i mean obviously assuming it has been upheld. do they have to comply with that? >> that is the rule of law in this country send appeared and presents for long time is that all sorts of things like that. president jefferson said things like that. >> he was slightly before my time. [laughter] >> presidents say these things, congress says things and then the judge's decide. that is the way the system works. senator, all i can commit to again is that i am a judge now. i take that seriously. and you better believe i expected judici

is not a problem. let's say somebody in kentucky or youngstown, ohio, somewhere like that. we have to talk to them. critical to improve the lives of them and their families, then we have to get people elected who are going to make sure they are getting their aspirations met through their elected representatives. the problem with the democratic party is, we become a presidential party, not necessarily a, you know, an every day local government party. tom and i are absolutely committed to doing that. we become a every four year party. we need to be an every day party. the thing is, we talk to everybody all over the country. >> katty kay? >> what it seems to me with the democratic party is it is old. you are young. tom perez is a little bit young. if you look at the leadership of the democratic party in the house, the average age is what? 75 of the top three leaders. the average age of the top three leaders in the republican house is 45. that's a huge problem the democratic party has trying to get a younger, more talented bench. what are you doing to do about that? >> well, what we are going to do is

youngstown and are nr justice jackson. >> any lawyer, i think, who understands this area of the law would understand the president is stronger with the support of the court. is it fair to say there was a conflict between the vice president's office and other parts of the bush administration about with a signing statement should say or look like? >> that's my recollection and that's all i can recall. >> i remember it very well because vice president cheney's signing statement was going to be we have in inherent authorio do what we are want to do. there are other people saying you don't have the authority to set aside a law, you have have a reason to object to it. i just want the public to understand that when it comes to this man, i've seen him in action and very complicated emotional matters where we have one group of people who can give a damn about the sheriff and other people who wanted to criminalize what i thought was a real-world fight tried to find e ground. in a 5-4 decision, this up in court struck down my proposal and we fixed it later with a huge bipartisan vote slid every enemy today has a habeas corpus receiptin

youngstown and our justice jackson. >> any lawyer i think who understands this area of the law would suggest the president is stronger when he has congressional support. the signing statement. is it fair to say there was a conflict between the vice president's office and other parts of the bush administration about what the signing statement should say or look like? >> that's my recollection, and that's about all i can recall. >> i remember it very well because vice president cheney's signing statement was going to be we have an inherent authority to do whatever we think we need to do and there were a lot of other people saying no, you don't have the authority just to set aside a law. you have to have a reason to object to it. so i just want the public to understand that, when it comes to this man, i've seen him in action, in very complicated emotional matters, where we had one group of people who could give a damn about the terrorist and other people who wanted to criminalize what i thought was a real world fight and we tried to find thatide ound, and in a 5-4 decision, t supreme court struck down my proposal, and w

is wrong and why we are better. >> congressman, it's willie geist. just more generally in youngstownpeople you talk to there in ohio. people who voted for donald trump, how do they feel about him 50 days? in health care is part of it. they will be upset if they lose their health care but are they still with him generally? >> i think as of the last few days, i think there was a wait and see approach for a lot of people that did vote for him. obviously, didn't like his behavior. they don't like the tweeting and don't like the chaos and want him to get focused. don't like . they don't like the chaos. they want him to get focused. with the health care, things are going to turn. the facts are the facts. the fact that a million people in ohio will lose their health care because of this, those 50-year-old men or women are going to get so hammered by this health care bill, it's not funny. there were, you know, obamacare wasn't perfect. we could fix a lot of things in there and we should, but if you are 50 years old in ohio, getting health care, they used to be able to only charge you 3-1 to

and the fact is, we have courts to decide these cases for a reason, to resolve these disputes. and i would approach it as a judge through the lens of the youngstownalysis. >> a case where a court has said a president could ignore a law that was on the books? i can't think of one offhand. >> i can't think of one offhand, senator. >> neither can i. the architect of president trump's muslim ban has declared that there's no such thing as judicial supremacy, and the powers of the president to protect our country, quote, are very substantial and will not be questioned. he was signaling that the president could ignore judicial orde orders. any president, do they have to comply with a court order? i mean, obviously -- assuming it's been upheld. do they have to comply with it? >> that's the rule of law in this country, senator leahy. and presidents for a long time have said all sorts of things like that. president jefferson said things like that. >> he was slightly before my time. >> but presidents say these things. congress says things. then judges decide. that's the way our system works. and senator, all i can committee to you, again, is i'm a judge, i

and the fact is we have courts to decide these cases for a reason, to resolve these disputes, and i would approach it as a judge, through the lens of a youngstown analysis. >> -- a president could ignore a law that was on the books? >> senator, sitting here -- i can't think of one off hand, senator. >> neither can i. >> yeah. >> now, the architect of president trump's muslim ban has declared that there is no such thing as judicial supremacy. and the powers of the president to protect our country, quote, very substantial and will not be questioned. the -- felt that he was signaling that the president could ignore judicial orders. any president that has to comply with the court order, assuming -- i mean, obviously they could deal with it, assuming it has been upheld, do they have to apply -- do they have to comply with it? >> that's the rule of law in this country, senator leahy. and presidents for a long time have said all sorts of things like that. president jefferson said things like that. >> we're not -- >> president -- >> he was slightly before my time. >> well, but presidents say these things, right. congress says things and judges decide a

youngstown, ohio. >> people are talking about reagan a lot. he reminds me in times of bill clinton people think he isd he fights back. everything he talked about, he believes in but they are issues that test maybe not 80/20 but pretty close it and no powerful thing to use that platform and talk about the style he believes in which na way appealing to more america than a lot of editorial boards and doesn't solve all of his problems and some people think it was an act' he didn't show his heart. if he keeps this up, he won't do this 100% he need to discombobulate the democratic party. >> i wonder when he says the time for trivial fights is over, does that mean the fight with the press? by the way, everybody at this table, we are all capable of engaging in trivial fights. >> no. >> especially sam. >> actually, sam, yes. >> you guys putting him on the funny pages. >> whoa! >> that was a trivial fight. but, look. he declared a very serious war on the press. one that went way over the line. i really hope that is what he meant by that. >> that's what i think the speech for me was more about what it wasn't th

youngstown, they have to do something, try something. that's what they campaigned on. >> you have to be careful, brian, not to overstate the problem. in the town where the carrier plant is trump went to save all those jobs, unemployment rate there is 3.5% and falling. per capital capita incomes are . i think he should fix all these things that are out there. what worries me is he says we need manufacturing jobs. he's very much talking about a government directive. a government directed jobs program, which is troubling to me. >> definitely not in the conservative camp for sure. steve, i do remember data points when phil lebeau was live there, brian, you were live there, that wages in places like indiana hadn't budged for 20 years. >> per capita incomes were rising. what's interesting to me is the u.s. economy finds a way to adjust. we talked about it here at the economics meeting are things like job retraining but not getting in the way of market forces that essentially let a company in the u.s. get the cheapest possible product from overseas, sell it here more cheaply, take that income that an american was spending on something and put it somewhere els else. >> the goal