a really interesting idea and isaac morehouse joins us now. thanks for coming on. >> glad to be here. >> why did you do this? what was the need you wanted to meet with praxis. >> i spent a lot of time working with young people, high school students, college students, and seeing them graduate and say, i've got all this debt but i can't find -- there nor jobs. and then i started working with, ii switched jobs, this is -- i'm working with entrepreneurs and business owners saying i'm hiring all the time and i can't find good talent. something amiss. people are spending all this time, five years on average, thousands of dollars, sometimes six figures and coming out no better prepares than to go and create value and get a job than they were wheno they went in. in fact, i would argue sometimes they come out worse because they pick up habits. >> stop right there, that is totally true and nobody ever says it, college helps a lot of people and also destroyed some people that's real. >> absolutely. we see that all the time. practice, when people get into