one of his quotes is because isaac newton was smarter than everybody else didn't give him the right to be the master of anyone. chris: land-owning white people. and not women. >> not women. certainly i think he probably would have had a greater problem with women in equality than blacks. but certainly hierarchy arcal and some notion that the enlightenment would change things. chris: this is a larry king question -- did he love her? >> we don't know. we know this was a relationship that went on for almost 40 years. you can make a judgment about that. chris: let's ask an obvious question. you get the best question here. does president obama, as he goes into his second term, which seems to be the requirement for greatness, you have to get the second term. that's a notch on your belt. does he think a lot about his ranking in history, how he's going to do? >> all evidence says yes, and he's thought about it for a long time. circa 2006, 2007, he's just out of the illinois state senate. he's telling people, even though he doesn't have a lot of managerial, national security, economic, washingt