it would be too much to say bernstein with russian roots or isaac stern, another great american withtrong russian roots who spoke russian. we spoke a lot about our ancestors. i repeat, lenny -- by the way, he did travel with his orchestra. >> rose: the new york philharmonic. >> correct, and other orchestras as well. lenny famously was there to conduct when the berlin wall went down. so did cello -- >> rose: was in washington. and isaac stern was there to defend the existence, the very life of carnegie hall and others there as well to give tremendous support and there were many others, i'm sure. >> rose: they were all there for the fall of the -- >> yeah, because there would be no carnegie hall anymore. there was a moment in the history of carnegie hall where there was someone who could make a decision that carnegie hall should go down and there would be something built, hotel, shops, one of the symbols of the musical world, not only musical america, but the musical world overall. so, yes, you need someone who acts, you need leaders. i don't know if i was born -- if you call born lead

before you know it i was playing before isaac stern when i was ten. >> i was fat.as 35 pounds -- in fact, i was interested in a high school senior. i overheard him in the hallway saying she's too fat to date. on that day i went on a diet for the first time. >> you go on a diet and turn into a beauty and you become ms. america. >> i did. >> in 1989. >> ms. america is gretchen carlson. ms. minnesota. >> what are you thinking about when you have the little crown and walking out there? >> i'm thinking total relief because i had worked so hard for that. >> then you're ms. america and go back to college. a lot of beauty contestants want to be in tv news. did you want to be in tv news? >> no, i was going to be a lawyer. bloopers and practical jokes set me up for a prank during my year as ms. america. >> watch gretchen's face as she realizes she has to fake it. >> gretchen, you're on super bloopers and practical jokes. >> and that's what catapulted me into television news. because i got calls out of tv agents after they saw me who said if you can do that, you can do tv. >>

very serious and playing before isaac stern when i was 10 years old. >> you get into your 10 years. little pudgy? i know there was a pudgy factor here. >> i was fat. >> you are not allowed to say that now. >> i was interested in high school senior in tenth grade. i overheard him in the hallway say i think she is a nice girl but too fat to date. on that day i went on a diet for the first time. >> you go on a diet and then you turn into a beauty and you become miss america. >> did i. >> in 1989. >> miss america is gretchen carlson. , minute -- miss minnesota. >> what do you think when you have the little crown and walking out there. >> i'm thinking total relief because i had worked so hard for that. >> then you are miss america and go back to college. a lot of beauty contestants want to be in tv news. you hear that all the time. did you want to be in tv news was that a goal. >> no. you was going to be a lawyer. bloopers and practical jokes with ed mcmahon and dick clark they set me up as miss america. >> watch gretchen's face when he she realizes she has to fake it. >> gretchen, you a