and one of the things and isabelle wilkerson talks about in her book the immigrants saw themselves even though they were born here. it was very much a immigrant experience because they came to the communities where they were the outsiders and that's one of the interesting things and i get pulled aside by people who were born from immigrant parents from european culture and realizing how similar the messages we all got at the dining room table were. the interesting thing to me about race and immigration in this country right now is how much the discussion around race and identity in america is still rooted in the civil rights era. it's still largely a binary discussion. it's still largely about black america and white america trying to find each other. and right now 1 out of every 6 children america and i think i got that statistic right is latino and the conversation has not caught up to that. i mean, if you visit -- and it's not just in southwestern cities. it's really all over america. there's a fast-growing latino population and the conversation of race and it's is not fully -- does