i went to see isaiah berlin the great philosopher and asked him what to do. he looked at an essayed hey given him and he said you could write more clearly so why don't you start philosophy for a year and we'll tribe you up to write clearly. then do some thesis about the history of social science and hen go on and study economics. so i did a thesis on max, the great german social thinkerment my second year i had a fabulous time. meanwhile i taught myself mat to go to grad school and economics. >> charlie: did you think you would drift towards being an administrator. >> it wasn't like i had a professional aspiration to do this but i had a natural gravitation to administrative tests. the day i left graduate school and joined the faculty they assigned me to run the introductory economics course which had 19 different sections thought independently. i had to coordinate 19 people some of whom were faculty members and some are graduate students. so i was doing administrative work from day one. >> charlie: i arrived at yale university as a freshman, let's say. >> yal