. >> host: crystal right isb. back at our desk. want to get into in the title of your book but i wish to begin with this y quotation reading, real racism still exists and hurts real people. they are quick to label every incident racists. to the shooting of black teens, it diminishes the rightful attention that true racism should receive. whyhat is true racism and are some of the issues that you bring up in that example not for racism? guest: i actually devote a chapter in the book to true racism. it is in the appendix. it is my family's personal story of being disseminated against. when i was a little girl and they applied to a country club and were told that they didn't want my parents to be members because they were black. that case went all the way up to the u.s. court of appeals. 1980, the u.s. justice department filed an amicus brief because they said 13 years after the civil rights act had passed, this is not what america was about. so that to me is true racism and discrimination. i would say, when someone is denied access to

the, i just looked at the public record on that, i did not dive into it, delve into it myself. , here isbthe cia video where they had to pay him was $400 million. >> we are here to announce that an agreement has been reached between the united states in the management consultants for the tunnel project which is known as the big dig, as well as several of the big dig designers. the big dig management consultant, bechtel, bechtel infrastructure corporation has agreed to pay the united states and the commonwealth over $407 million to resolve criminal and civil liabilities in the defects of the walls of the tip o'neill tunnel. brian lamb: at the time, it was $100 billion plus and you alluded to the fact that octal has the cost -- bechtel has the cost plus contract. the they start that? sally denton: i think bechtel senior and john mccone, that was there creation. , turn a complete project it over and the owner turns it on. that was, again, that is like the revolving door with multinational business models throughout the world. i think they were the first company that came up with that, which