isis can do anything. we are under their control. >> reporter: near this village, isis knapped and killed several people, including community leaders who were known to oppose them. the group posted these pictures on social media, showing the executions. >> if someone tries to speak or fa anything against isis, your wholly will be in danger, whether it's during the day or night, they have no problem. >> reporter: to protect themselves and their familien local tribesve organized their own defense groups. thisamily's 25-year-old son was one of them. his parents say he was kwhled in mae trying to repel an isis attack on his village. they are angry at the government and say it's not doing enough to protect the area. >> whe's the security? if they are so close to the village, if isis can come to this place >> reporter: like many others we meet, this family claims that the federal police, one of the government security forces operating in the area, often don't respond to calls for help, especially at night. they

i left syria because of isis but when i arrived here i realized the same isis rules apply here to. iran from death but it followed me here. when you heard of them and what led to much. greater to talk of spies operating through the entire camp. our initial suspicions seem confirmed it looks like there's a well organized group in camp morea that terrorizes others in claims to act on the authority of isis do they have plans to export the terror from inside the camp to europe on the one hand the fact that many are openly professing membership speaks against that. on the other hand we also know that intelligence agencies are aware of them. it's obvious that they have it in for kurdish people hundreds have fled from the violence in the camp. and what are greek authorities and police doing to stop the violence. the greek ministry for migration policy refused an interview they say they're too busy to provide a spokesperson for the police to remain silent. we move on to the refugee camp that many kurdish families slept till pick back cambers a project for the most vulnerable refugees such

an elite unit of iraq's ministry of interior, they look for isis militants. today, the mission is to search and clear an area of around six square miles near the northern city of tuz khurmatu. >> ( translated ): according to intelligence and information collectethrough surveillance drones and at some of the check points you saw on the way, the number of terrorists in this area is estimated at 60 to 80. sometimes the number can even reach 120. >> reporter: for four years, the emergency response division, or e.r.d., together with other iraqground troops and support from the u.s., fought and appeared to win a grueling war agaiisns, but the terror group has risen again, at the nexus of four provinces:diirkuk, salah diyala and sulaimania. it's an area home to strategic roadsal, oil fields and sev mountain ranges, which provide a sanctuary for the militants. these coalition-trained troops are battle-hardened from having fought a mostly coaientional war t iris. dung the four-year conflict, the u.s. supported the e.r.d. with tactical advice, even though the unit had

isis works on a billet system. they were paying $500 per month salary, and a car and phone, and one after the year $50 and you'll be conscripted into the positions. it expired because people were killed or they fled or isis killed them themselves. the iraqi air force is targeting assets in syria using the same thing, doing the same thing iran says. there targeting -- i'm going to say something nice after this, there targeting sunnis, or targeting isis, i would argue iraq should have the best intel on where isis fighters are because the core group around that was iraqi. there was an attempt to try to get baghdad before the election, i would say iraqi intel should be able to pinpoint baghdad, we've seen reports that he has been injured and can no longer lead a movement. as an intelligence officer you're always in the situation. if an organization is wrong 90% of the time and then there right one time, do you find yourself guarding -- discarding what they said? we are doing that. discarding what they said because they

as isis established a power base in camp morea. camp morea a stand stuff like a high security prison violence has become part of everyday life the greek police have to step in often. to the left the official camp we aren't allowed to film they're here on the right is where refugees have found no space in their official camp have makeshift shelters it's a ride to film here. we're following rumors of isis infiltration there seems to be a new violent gang in camp moria claiming to be an offshoot of the so-called islamic state they say they're from day resort in syria one of the last ice a strong. this is adamant he says he lifted directly next to the presumed isis group before he fled the camp in fear for his life the. camp is full of isis members a cell banned substances drugs. money and trade anything for instance mobile phones . they steal before they rob. so a criminal gang can operate under stepped in refugee camps now that would be bad enough but they're presenting themselves as isis followers are they just trying to intimidate

not isis targets. they are the sunni opposition. so it's the same kind of thing -- >> you heard it here first, folks. >> it's the same thing you saw in iraq, again. our administration said we killed 50,000 isis fighters in iraq. there were never more than 10,000 to 15,000 isis fighters in iraq at the start of the campaign, through the campaign. i isis works on a billet system. quickly after a year of operations, dwindled down to $50 a month, and you were being conscripted into those positions to fill billets that had expired because people were killed or fled or isis killed them themselves. the iraqi air force is targeting assets in syria using the same thing that assad says, doing the same thing that iran says, that they are targeting -- and i'm going to say something nice here after this, that they are targeting sunnis or targeting isis, but i would argue that iraq should have the best intel on where isis fighters are in iraq, because the core group around baghdadi was iraqi. you know, there was an a

isis killed him. he was 24 years old. >> reporter: the six-month offensive eventually wiped out an estimated 2,500 isis combatants, but bin rabaa tells us sle cells still lurk especially in rte's desert. though it no longer controls any territory, the terror group is succefully carrying out more attacks in libya. the spike in violence has been shar in 2017, isis managed to pul off only four attacks; so far this year, it's more than a dozen. the most audacious was in may, when isis gunmen stormed libya's election commission headquarters in tripoli, detonated suicide vests and killed at least 16 civilians. these counterterrorism forces in sirte recently raised the isis threat level in the area from 70% to 100%.is so is in this direction. they're regrouping in the desert, here in the south. >> aanytime, they can come i one or two people and blow themselves up. we rely on shepherds to tell us if there are any isis fighters passing through their pastures. >> reporte so far this year, in libya, there have a

isis. then we come up with these narratives, and that is how we are at 17 years with this fight. iran campaign like they run the redskins. we get an enemy that continues to develop a playbook, a very strategic enemy. pakistani taliban, and our allies, in quotations. than we have iraq and syria, where we are actually empowering this proxy force in iraq and syria to defeat daesh. al qaeda was the most important thing after 9/11. then getting out became the most important thing in 2009. than we were back in afghanistan with a surge, fully to tell people to do very difficult things, put yourself in jeopardy, at risk, and we are leaving in six months. the more you can reach out to the u.s., the more you can grab the u.s., the more you can trust the u.s. every month they would ask the villagers to fight back against al qaeda, isis, against whoever. then they leave. the first thing that happens is al qaeda comes, isis comes, they say, what did the americans ask you to do? in each case, we left so

camp is full of isis members sell banned substances drugs. money and trade anything for instance mobile phones. they steal they rob. so a criminal gang can operate under stir up in refugee camps now that would be bad enough but they're presenting themselves as isis followers are they just trying to intimidate or is it founded in actual connection either way one thing's for sure they're brutal one of the. attack they gang up on you with twenty people they hit you with metal rods we stand on nice elice. they will shout the same slogans at isis members would be is great remaining and expanding a bit. as much as footage of an incident in may when violence escalated sharply. suspected isis members were apparently the driving force behind the attack with iron rods and knives they went off to other refugees in the camp. several were severely injured and a handful where arrested it's still unclear what led up to the bloody confrontation . can't morea has become notorious originally planned for two thousand five hundred refugees it now holds over eigh

isis is not dead. in august although i think we counted 211, 220 some odd some odd operations in iraq and syria. that's just iraq and see. they commit bombings all the time in afghanistan. they are active in north african west africa. isis is still international organization it is still alive. it's not defeated but there's this push amongst some of the political class in the trump administration of particular try to say it's all over. we just keep going right back to the same thing we want to prematurely declare victory. just to put another point on this, at the same time if you look at the same reported that comes out of odni or the u.n. or others, a lot of reporting which we agree with that assessment. a-qaeda is fighting them country today have al-qaeda commanders and leaders everywhere from mali and the sunday countries where the executed, we have a young guy who works for us who all he does is try, it operations that are in west africa. it's done. they are t very loud and proud about the fact they

isis. where do things stand here? leader mcconnell did announce he would like to have a vote on that this week. this is a really big package. congress has struggled to find some agreement. as you mentioned, the house passed a big bill, a number of bills. the senate package is also quite robust. i will say the senate's schedule this week is truncated. they are out for a couple of days at the start and of course, a big storm headed this way, so the schedule is a little up in the air. they are indicating they would like to have a vote on that by thursday and the net package would need to be reconciled before it can be sent to the president's desk. appreciated. we will continue to follow you on twitter, storms and all. thanks so much. ms. mascaro: announcer: c-span, where history unfolds daily. c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television company. today we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court, and public policy events

, isis 2.0, isis 3.0. a new added element that militias want a broader role, don't want to be a local threat to the united states, they want to be an international threat to the united states. we may find ourselves in a situation where we are in iraq, having been disinvited by baghdad, facing a new sunni threat that keeps growing in the northern middle east. when i say the northern middle east because there used to be 20 million sunnis in iraq and syria combined before this isis campaign. now there are less than -- i would say, what, about 5 million. 3.2 million left in idlib getting ready to be pushed into the refugee population. in iraq half the population just started coming back from refugee camps to cities that have been destroyed. we're going to face these new threats and the policy is all is well in iraq, something we hear, you don't hear iraq mentioned in the iran conversation, we talk about iran, we want to stop iran's influence in syria, lebanon and yemen and leave out iraq. the reason iran has t

unlike isis we like to say isis is an organization who wants to stab you in the throat where al qaeda is on the web to stab you in the back. they do want to tell you whether operating. they don't advertise themselves. villa nine argued for years at the u.s. military and intelligence committee because they kept saying for years there's 50 to 100 guys at any given time. it just looked at their own press releases and reporting on national were fighting enough guinness then. keeping that 50 to 100 but you killed yesterday and 30 the day before and you're going to california tomorrow. this obviously doesn't make any sense. basically a point on that al qaeda has been underestimate was proven right in october 2015th the newest military and afghan allies launched a four-day operation in the history of afghanistan. we're not talking about 1999, and early 2001. we're talking october 2015th from u.s. military and afghan allies launched a raid against a training facility for al qaeda. the make a long story short kamal qaeda's in the game. they didn't miss a single image or video from the training

a resurgence in isis in celadon. , where our campaign said you can look at isis attacks everyday. the big one, government formation and the continuing shifting alliances. see -- forming an alliance which means you have --, who won the most votes and then you have -- who came in second. that.oing to throw i know that is a lot. ahmed, let us know what is going on. >> good afternoon. thank you for having us. thank you for organizing these panels. had by 2010, analysts forgot about iraq. then we had isis. i think it is important to keep attention on a and what is happening. i would be remiss if i did not thank you for your service working with the u.s. military in different capacities. i am a regular traveler to our rocket i got back sunday from the country. every time i go, i have the ability to travel to different parts of the country and interview. i talk to different personalities and musty odors and people interested. i think with these elections, with the nato of -- may 12 elections, they seem a long time ago but we have to analyze the applications of what happened since may 12

only isis. you see the other source of activities that when you look at perspectivesecurity is also concerning. who is carrying out those kinds of activities is never easy to tell. you look at all of the warn ing indicators, you can tell follow up? to >> sure. i think one of the important things we need to look at it not only what the burns of the iranian consulate tells us but iraniansfact that the re-opened the consulate four day s later. importantat sends an message,a sinister that iran is not going to give up easily. maintaincommitted to ing a deep influence in and in iraq in general if that was the german or the saudi or the mexican consulate iraq it would take four years for the country to regroup and and re-nd reconsider open the ex-conference. not wasting are time. your question on, down, whether -- the iraqi youth have a chance in 2022? -- i think we might have a showdown probably sooner than that. but, you know, i think as -- you december and october roll in and the season changes and

al qaeda, most of the territory that was taken by isis has been recovered. we have truly degraded their operational capabilities, particularly their ability to carry out large-scale, ambitious attacks in the united states. they have been largely reduced to exhortation to inspire homegrown terrorists to carry out attacks here. and in that regard they've had some measure of success, but not a great deal. there has been about two dozen jihadist attacks against the period. these have resulted unfortunately and a few over 100 deaths and average of 60 year. we've also seen, i mean, in the immediate shadow of 9/11, we were concerned about further 9/11 gail attacks. and yet, in the most recent communication held by god he, the leader of isis, he called on his followers here to carry out attacks with knives, with guns, with automobiles, still a threat, still potentially lethal, but far down the register. so in that sense, we've had a measure of success. we have had less success in encountering the narrative. we are just not very good at doing this. we're a lot better

host: we still have al qaeda, taliban, now isis. is there a terror organization that most concerns you? guest: we should not become too wrapped around the identities of .he organizations it was al qaeda and then we saw division within the jihadist movement between al qaeda and isis. we continue to see something far more fluent than most people imagine. there are doctrinal differences in al qaeda, differences within isis. there are some within isis in fact that think -- himself is an apostate. movement complicated looking ahead. both possible to envision continuing divisions between al qaeda and isis and yet in some parts of the world, they are cooperating and it is not inconceivable to see some kind of merger, at least at the local level. .he movement will continue host: jeremy is an independent. caller: i would like to put some facts and some sources in the nature of international terrorism which what had to do with what the previous caller identified, that these wars have not been good for the world and that september 11 in terms

by isis by about twenty three percent compared to last year so it's very obvious that the move of isis from. dakar has impacted the numbers of attacks launched by the byte by isis this year however this leaves us with two major questions one is that with these numbers are sustainable with that there are continuing they're going to continue because that what could happen is that the isis is after the removal from from was an unlucky they're probably you know really presuming themselves like what happened in al qaida with al qaida back in two thousand. two thousand and three. that they move all over. afghanistan was followed by some sort of quietness in terms of activities but litter actually we see we saw that more of a car that he positioning itself and resuming its actors and the other important media think that we have to keep in mind is that removing an organization. the governance a structure of an organization front to sit is more than adequate there's not in any way in the end that the end of the phenomenon and yet i'm talking about terrorism as a phenomenon that has been actuall

by isis by about twenty three percent compared to last year so it's very obvious that the move of isis from. dakar has impacted the numbers of attacks launched by these by by isis this year however this leaves us with two major questions one is that with these numbers are sustainable with of there are continuing they're going to continue because that what could happen is that the isis is after the removal from from was an undercover they're probably you know really positioning themselves like what happened in al qaida with al qaida back in two thousand. two thousand and three. that they move all over. afghanistan was followed by some sort of quietness in terms of activities but litter actually we see we saw that more of a car that he positioning itself and resuming its actors and the other important media think that we have to keep in mind is that removing an organization. the governments the structure of an organization front to sit is more than adequate there's not in any way in the end that the end of the phenomenon and yet i'm talking about terrorism as a phenomenon that has been a

just absolutely obliterated isis in iraq. and you know happened at the checkpoint six or seven militants or did they manage to get out of the car the terrorists didn't ask for identity cards or anything they opened fire on them straight away and my son and husband were lying on the ground before i knew it the madras told us they were from the islamic state in iraq and. that's the father god and my brother was killed after he was kidnapped to a fake checkpoint run by i saw a terrorist. minister to say about it therefore it is failed to warn us that the road was dangerous that there was a nice old checkpoint there was a complete can away and to keep the tool after the terrorists killed my son husband it took the security forces for hours to get to the site and even after they did they didn't venture close to the car as they feared it was booby trapped. or idea i saw a terrorist demanded the release of some sunni women held in iraqi custody in exchange for my brother and others but the authorities abdicated all responsibility fo

and then we're going to make a determination as to what we're going to do but we have a radical isis at a very large area of the middle east the vainglorious claim that the united states has defeated isis is of course enough to make a horse laugh because every sente and being knows that it was syria and russia and its allies in syria that defeated isis in almost all of the country and if the americans are trying to stop an assault on which they clearly are then by definition means the isis and particularly our qaida ironically are going to stay in libya if no one attacks them and no one crushes them indefinitely which i suppose by trumps logic means the us will be remaining indefinitely they hope. ok to another headline stories this hour the greek government is to move around to follow isn't migrants from an overcrowded refugee camp in the city of moore am after human rights organizations condemned conditions in the camp saying it's leading to child suicides and exposing people to high levels of violence indeed according to the latest report by doctors without borders it's children w

isis was building its presence. >> isis has been over the months and there is now a lot of focus in theseistan where isis has taken hold. so they are now confirming that about a week ago they did kill the so-called leader of isis in afghanistan, i say so-called because this will be the third self-declared leader of the organization in that area that they have killed in the last two years. so what it underscores, of course, is u.s. forces consistently going after these people, these targ heets when t can find them. considered a major and significant threat for u.s. forces to go after them, a top priority, right now as far as the taliban goes, what the u.s. is hoping and the emphasis i think is on hoping, there can be some kind of political settlement with the taliban that somehow they can get to a cease-fire, and somehow they can get them to the negotiating table. >> the taliban is carrying more and more deadly attacks, barbara starr at the pentagon, thank you very much. there is a new commander of the nato led mission in afghanistan during a ceremony in kabul, outgoing u.s. army general j

we have done a tremendous job in syria and in that region eradicating isis which is why we're there. we're very close to being finished with. and then we're going to make a determination as to what we're going to do but we have eradicated isis at a very large area of the middle east. so my understanding was that the u.s. had pretty much said he was going to leave syria and now it's something still to be determined in the future would you make of the u.s. position. you know not not just because he can't speak english very well it's often difficult to know what donald trump means and when you realize that he said so many different things once president let alone in comparison with what he used to see as a candidate or what he said oftentimes when obama was the president it's very difficult to know what the american policy is one thing is for sure the syrian people and allies will never permit any part of syria to remain permanently in american hands the syrian people led the arab struggle to extirpate colonialism from their land a very long time ago and they're not going to accept to r

isis, evenology of defeating the militarily, still remains. are still a lot of challenges in people that used to live under isis, they are so ited by their ideology hope that from there we can do some. it sounds like we need to deal with the ideology, not just the visible conditions. >> absolutely. in elementary school, in central you'll see the islamic religion in the books teaching first grade, second grade, or agree. we have to start from there. >> certainly a lot of challenges, we thank you for being here with us. to the far end of the table. we will go over to the korean peninsula. this is a north korean who escaped from north korea a number of years ago and is now in the united states and works on human rights and can address the challenges and specific details of the context in north korea as many around the world hope and pray for liberation and freedom to worship freely. thank you for being here. if you could give a brief overview of your story and how you came to be doing this. >> thank you for having me. i'm glad to hear that the se

what's real be to us a relations with the kurds oh i thought i was just i suppose isis. ok we're trying to get along very well we do get along great with the kurds we're trying to help them a lot don't forget that's their territory that we have to help them i want to help them go ahead what's next they fought with us before with us they died with us they died we lost tens of thousands of kurds died fighting isis they died for us and with us and for themselves they died for themselves but they great people and we have not forget we don't forget i don't forget what happened some day later but i can tell you that i don't forget these are great people ok yes i am pleased about you is a separate incident about you don one question what is your collegiate plan to stop union influence in iraq in syria and specially in iraq i think you've seen that i must tell you is that i don't mind your question i think that has been something i did i don't think you i think there's been no greater change other than maybe china because china unfortunately the markets have dropped would you sa

greg: what do you think isis is thinking about now? now that they have trump in office. >> there doing what they alway always -- it's funny you talk about this because there is one of my good brothers i buried but i was out of the army before 911 and that brought me back in but i retired in 2016 but for us, it does not end. i have guys, all my best friends, they are still in i know what's going on, to a degree. it doesn't stop. like you said, you can't beat them with kindness. i wish we could, trust me. we have tried. they will not stop. >> you can beat them with kindness if you tie kindness to a two by four. >> you are right, man. it's a good place for them to be, believe it or not tactically. the eye is off the ball. the underdog always has -- you know this. when they know you're not paying attention when you do relax and is always going to happen. you'll always relax or rebound to the soft side and this is a good place for them. it's interesting they put the boys out. we don't know if it's actually legit but they don't have to -- th

resistance in al qaeda and isis are forcing us to think creatively about our c.t. posture. aggressive counterterrorism actions against isis has resulted in the group losing nearly all of its territory in iraq and sudan. despite these attacks and setbacks, isis ability to launch an insurgency in syria and iraq and its ability to care you attacks abroad has not yet been significantly diminished. the last challenge is developing a more sufficient intelligence collection and analysis cycle, allowing us to take a revolutionary step forward in providing accurate and timely information for policymakers, diplomats, and were-fighters. -- war-fighters. the various assets of our intelligence craft, from acquisitions to our workforce, i ask that you do so with an eye toward these topics and threats. and that you explore how we can advance our craft to deliver asn greater 30 and insight to the intelligence we provide on these topics. seek this tond accomplish this because this is our most basic responsibility, to see the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. so that we can reduce unc

a lot of people -- they lived under isis with peers.the impact of ideology, what isis believes, so i hope that from there we can do something about religious freedom, all those things. >> it sounds like we need to deal with the ideology, not just the physical conditions on the ground. >> absolutely. there are elementary schools >> they teach first grade, second grade. there are thoughts from there they coexist with religious freedom. it must be free. it must be a right for any person. >> certainly a lot of challenges. we thank you for being with us today. i will turn now to ms. lee at the far end of the table. we will discuss the korean peninsula. -- mr. lee at the far end of the table -- he escaped from north korea several years ago. he works on human rights. he can address some of the challenges and specific details of the situation in north korea as many people around the world hope and pray for religious freedom there. thank you for being here today. if you could just tell us about your story and how you came to be doing this. >> th

despite suffering heavy losses, isis remain a major threat against the west. afghanistan with general scott miller former head of joint special operations command. he too recognized this new threat. >> we recognize that afghanistan cannot a safe haven for terrorism. the world recognizes that. >> reporter: what the u.k. and europe is now is another attack is like the one in paris. hundreds of fighters returned from fighters with isis. the threat is taken seriously. the u.s. have been battling hard against isis in afghanistan. they killed one of the top commanders. that's not enough. the battle with the taliban continues. isis have been able to grow stronger in the rural areas. >> benjamin hall, live in london. thanks. >>> high from profile meeting in the middle east. meeting about bashar al-assad. >> reporter: thanks. iran's defense minister meeting today in damascas with syrian president bashar al-assad to discuss military operation in the preble stronghold -- rebel strong hold. despite military engagements with isis and reported air strike over the weekend, t