this time it's isis. president talked about the threat from the terror group in an interview with "the new yorker" magazine. >> he said, "the analogy we use around here sometimes. and i think is accurate, is if a jv team puts on lakers uniforms, that doesn't make them kobe bryant." >> i was disappointed. i was disappointed that he said that. i don't think he was well served. >> the need for intelligence surveillance. >> lieutenant general michael flynn had a front-row seat to the rise of isis. he led the defense intelligence agency until late last year. >> we failed to understand the enemy that we faced. >> flynn says intelligence officials had warned the administration that isis was growing more dangerous before the president made his infamous jv comment. but the president has said the intelligence on isis was inadequate. here he is on "60 minutes." >> how did they end up where they are in control of so much territory? was that a complete surprise to you? >> well, i think our head of the intelligence com

. >> the french launching air>> strikes against isis targets... >> as the fight against isis intensifies after the paris terror attacks, an exclusive report on how the radical group is spreading. correspondent najibullah quraishi shows us for the first time isis's new foothold in afghanistan. >> their aim is to have their networks all over the world. when i saw these young children who learn how to kill people, how to do jihad, i was thinking the war will never end. >> and later tonight, in pakistan, the taliban are wreaking havoc in karachi with crime, kidnapping, and targeted assassinations. >> could you point out the areas where the taliban has a strong presence? >> frontline is with the police unit hunting the taliban. tonight, two new reports, one exclusive hour of frontline. >> frontlinis made possible by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. and by the corporation for public broadcasting. major support for frontline is provided by the john d. and catherine t. macarthur foundation, committed toco building a more just, verdant and peaceful world. more i

this time it's isis. after fallujah fell, the president talked about the threat from the terror group in an interview with "the new yorker" magazine. >> he said, "the analogy we use around here sometimes. and i think is accurate, is if a jv team puts on lakers uniforms, that doesn't make them kobe bryant." >> i was disappointed. i was disappointed that he said that. i don't think he was well served. >> the need for intelligence surveillance. >> lieutenant general michael flynn had a front-row seat to the rise of isis. he led the defense intelligence agency until late last year. >> we failed to understand the enemy that we faced. >> flynn says intelligence officials had warned the administration that isis was growing more dangerous before the president made his infamous jv comment. but the president has said the intelligence on isis was inadequate. here he is on "60 minutes." >> how did they end up where they are in control of so much territory? was that a complete surprise to you? >> well, i think our hea

isis claims responsibility. has the u.s. actually confirmed that isis did this?is any question and i have had consolations on this today. isis clearly carried this out. very cowardly act if you look at the attack on the bakery inside the market, that was primarily women and children and you look at the attack outside of the mosque, the shiite mask and you see this pronouncement they are attacking because they are apostates, the same reason for aseeties or christians or kurds. this is their m.o. and claimed credit and it is good that we now have in custody one of the attackers clearly u.s. forces and lebanese armed forces are going to have to work very closely together on this security question because what you see in lebanon today, wolf, is one quarter of that population are people fleeing from syria and obviously, what happened was isis embedded their suicide bombers with that population. >> the lebanese sources tell our terrorism analyst paul, one of them taken alive. is there a suspicion now that isis really wants to expand this war because hasballah is helpin

their target, isis outposts. cnn's nick paton walsh is joining us from irbil in northern iraq, not very far away. nick, what can you tell us, how much damage is it estimated these french air strikes did? >> reporter: what we don't know at this stage the scale of the damage and actually we also don't really know precisely why the targets, the activists say on the ground were hit were chosen. now, activists from the group, raqqa slaughtered silently, who do a very difficult job getting information out from the isis stronghold, frankly talking to outsiders can get you killed, they say amongst the targets was a building in there known as the stadium. that is a key building for isis in there. many of these buildings no longer used, of course, for the title from the past but in the case of the stadium used as partially a jail, a headquarters. another building known as the museum, that is also used as a secret jail for isis activists. isis, themselves, say what you hit, there was nobody in there at all, but raqqa still

isis car bombs. a new peshmerga weapon from the west, the milan missile, which stops the ideas bombers in their tracks. this is what one did to an isis car, melting this pistol flat. sinjar's urban sprawl, too, could be flattened if isis choose to fight in it. the first day's bravado, taking the kurds far but not to victory. nick paton walsh, sinjar. >> a five-minute video was released thursday that shows russian cities with chants in russian promising that, quote, blood will spill like an ocean. cnn has not been able to independently verify the video. it comes two weeks after an isis affiliate claims to have brought down a russian jetliner in the sinai. the video does not mention the plane. we are following breaking news for you. the u.s. says it's targeted the face of isis. we'll tell you more about jihadi john before he became an infamous killer. plus, an exclusive talk with a u.s. general who's been coordinating the international fight against isis. he has a stark warning about the global war on

day life under isis.t brings to mind of evil, isis has its own license plates and traffic cops who give parking tickets. and there are friendly shop keepers. >> completely brain washed. i've never in my life met people like this. this of course is the mosul officials wanted him to say. they gave him written permission to come to the city and he believes they let him leave alive to make a point. >> they wanted to show me that they are a state and that this state is working. it's not a perfect state, it's not like the united states but it's a state. >> and it's getting bigger. tottenhoffer saw new recruits pouring in every day. >> these recruitment center we had every day more than 50 new fighters. they can lose fighters, they don't care. the amazing thing is that they are completely enthusiastic, they think it's the time of their life. they think that they are part of a historic allal event, changine whole middle east. >> among them were americans. >> i met many americans, i met germans and french people a

by isis.t know who will be next but prepared to pay with their lives. this weekend the members of raqqah are being slaughtered silently and honored by the committee to protect journalist. a very brave group of individuals. >> the video of that little kid trying to behead the doll, if you will, terrifying. elyce, thanks very much for that report. >>> coming up, we have more breaking news ready to attack explosions and gunfire echoed during bloody overnight raids which french officials say stopped a terror cell from launching a new operation and isis shows off a soda can bomb they say brought down that russian airliner over sinai killing all 224 people on board. how great a threat can this be to air travel? >>> happening now, breaking news, isis threatens new york city, a terror propaganda video just released suggestions isis will strike the largest city. is there an imminent threat? key evidence includes cell phones leading french police to another terror cell whose plot is show in deadly raid.

isis is growing.rtainly may have control in those different terrorist organizations but they are being struck hard in iraq and syria and suffering from that and that may be a reason they are looking for other places to strike like sinai and paris. >> the president today held firm. he's not sending u.s. troops on the ground into syria to fight isis. >> yeah, i heard him say that but we are increasing our action. let's understand that isis is an army and idea and we have to defeat the ideas as well as the army. just two more points from before, we do have an electronic system that checks travelers coming into the u.s. not just the vis what waiver program and we carefully check. there is a problem if no one was in any data base. i think that will prove not to be true. but for homegrown terrorests, we have some confidence we know who is here. we're building trust with communities. our people are our force multiplier and terrifying them with this on tv, i don't think is our best move. wolf. there are a lot

isis has claimed credit.resident francois hollande called the attack an act of war and promised a response. french authorities carried out anti-terrorism raids today and airstrikes against isis targets in syria last night. the 27-year-old belgian man is believed to be the mastermind of the attacks. as of this taping, a search is underway for the eight men involved in the attacks and a belgian national. it prompted new questions about the threat posed by isis and the necessary strategies to defeat it. it has fueled worries about the flood of refugees seeking shelter in europe and the united states. president obama defended his plan to combat isis today. president obama: while we know the difficult roads still ahead, the united states in partnership with our coalition will remain relentless on all fronts, military, humanitarian and diplomatic. we have the right strategy. i don't think i have shown hesitation to act whether it is with respect to bin laden or sending additional troops or keeping them there. if it

we can get that message across in even if isis is doing now, because isis is being defeated in certain places, and we need to be playing that up. but the fact is that as isis start losing on the ground -- and i hope that happens -- we have a powerful message. host: chicago, illinois, here is william. go ahead. caller: good morning. first-time caller. this is more of a comment than anything else. i think we failed to look at the historical aspect of why these things are transpiring. had -- we don't look at the ottoman empire and how these and thents were created blowback as a result of these governments. look towardsdon't the ideology, we look more at body count, which was the mistake of the vietnam war. i think it is important for us to win the hearts and minds of people in the middle east instead of demonizing them and declaring war on them. what is your aspect on that? thank you. guest: let me elaborate on the point of that ideology. first of all i just want to say, your last comment i just don't agree with. we are not making war on the people of the middle east, we are making war --

they can't defeat isis? mr.orell: they could if they were retrained and the whole nine yards, but the sunnis in iraq do not want the shia on sunni land. so the only answer in iraq is to get the sunni tribes to fight against isis. the only way that happens, now we are talking about politics in iraq, the only way the sunni tribes fight is if they believe that once they fight and get rid of isis, they will have the say in the iraqi government. charlie: so somebody has to promise them they will have a say. who can make that promise? is the prime minsister prepared? mr. morell: he does not have the political clout to deliver on anything. he is extremely weak. charlie: with the iranians allow him to make that promise? mr. morell: i think it is in iran's interest to maintain the territorial integrity of iraq. i think it is in iran's interest for isis to be defeated by the sunni tribes. we probably need to have that conversation with them, we are not. i think that is the way iran views it. what has to happen, i think th

brutal isis execution videos. the pentagon says it is still assessing the results of the air strike that targeted him. u.s. official tells cnn authorities are confident that strike killed emwazi. for the very latest, let's turn to nic robertson in london. >> reporter: at the moment, we have very few precise details about the strike. jihadi john, mohammed emwazi, we are told was in a vehicle when it was struck as a result of persistent surveillance. we heard a lot about that how drones will maintain surveillance over a particular area for a period of time. the strike took place in the town of raqqah. this is isis headquarters. jihadi john, of course, we know him because he came to prominence with the beheadings of james foley and james sotloff and a u.s. aid worker and others beheaded in a brutal fashion. threats to the united states and threats to the united kingdom. it was the beheadings that put the united states on track to given air strikes or coalition air strikes, if you will, inside syria. but from the deta

or helping isis. does he get away with that? >> well he is not. congress is meeting and i'm sure they will take this up sooner rather than later and say, unless the government can guarranty with reasonable certainty we'll be able to vet these people they're not welcome. there is no vacancy in america for terrorists. statue of liberty says give us tired, poor, huddled masses, not terrorists. unless we can protect our homeland these people don't deserve to come here. david: and jillian, the president charges, puts up a straw dog, saying these are just widows and orphans, how could anybody be against them? you say, the turks just arrested eight people who had fake passports, fake i.d.s, were trying to get into germany with maps. they were all men. they were all healthy. they apparently were all involved with isis. we're not talking about widows and orphans here. >> what makes it complicated we are talking about widows and orphans but we're also talking about people -- david: correct, it is both. >> makin

against isis.een that isis has not since may when they took the city of ramadi west of baghdad has not been able to gain major areas under its control and is slowly being pushed out. they've lost tikrit. they are now under pressure inform sinjar from kurdish fighters supported by u.s. air power in syria. they're also kurdish forces and arab syrians who are pushing them back. at this point, this comes as just another blow to isis. now that in a sense it's lost its momentum, prince george. >> but for people who looked at emwazi when all these videos were coming out. the videos are a very important part of their recruiting techniques. for people who are just learning this news, you know, what does this do to those who might have been interested in joaning isis. >> it may cause them to think twice about perhaps traveling to syria or iraq to join isis. and these individuals like jihadi john or mohammed emwazi certainly wore symbols as kind of the perverse power that isis gave to people who otherwise in

and russia together to fight isis. of course russia has another reason to want to get into this game even deeper and potentially stepping up its air strikes even more and that is isis' claim of responsibility for downing that russian jetliner. so suddenly you hear these two men speaking very flatteringly almost of each other. the president saying that vladimir putin could be a constructive partner and we're hearing putin say that the u.s. and russia must stand together. of course, we saw that picture of the two of them when they were both at the g-20 summit huddled together just the two of them with a translator talking bombings ond friday night in a way to work together. it does look possible there could be a new era of cooperation in this one area which is the battle against isis. >> i know you have a guest with you to talk more about the security effort, the shared information. before we get to the guest i with a'nt to play what josh earnest said about france and the united states providing information that resulted

isis is really out there, and what isis does to us is exactly what they did to the french last night. >> general tate, i know the president was quick to get out of iraq. but if you look at the ground that isis gained, fallujah, where americans fought and died over, and lost limbs over. how can he say, quote, they're contained? >> that doesn't make sense to me, sean, contained has no value in military parlance. destroy, defeat. that's what the president ought to be talking about. president hollande today showed more leadership in one day than president obama has in seven years by first identifying the enemy, that they are isis, and second, that they will pay. that is a very clear commander's intent coming from a president who has just been attacked. and our commander in chief, his first responsibility is to protect the citizens of the united states at home and abroad. and you don't do that by underestimating the enemy. and that impacts foreign policy and domestic policy. you've got to be kidding me, we're going to be bringing 200,000 syrian refugees here? let's pretend that 1% of those

downing the isis plane and then this commando-style raid in paris, stage four would see isis moving even further west trying to carry out an attack in the united states. yes, u.s. terrorism officials have been underestimating isis. they never thought that it had this kind of capability. when paris first happened u.s. officials told me they thought it was going to be al qaeda because they thought al qaeda was the kind of organization that looked abroad, looked to carry out complex attacks and you remember the president once described as isis as the jv team. if it was the jv team. it is no longer the jv team and probably hasn't been for quite some time. >> richard, when you underestimate that probably means you're getting bad intelligence. what is our situation? we're not getting good intelligence about isis because if we were wouldn't we have a better assessment of their capabilities? >> reporter: when you talk to investigators here it's not a question of not getting good intelligence. it's that there's too much intelligence. there are simply too many people. there are probably 3,000

isis seized mosul.ce then it gained ground in iraq and syria with somewhere between 20 and 31 thousand fighters in iraq and sere and around the world. in the u.s., the islamic state became a household name in 2014 after it released a video. it showed the beheading of american james folley. in january, 2015, ahmed ahmedy coulibaly pledged allegiance to isis two days before his death. in february and then in april, isis released video showing the massacre of egyptian christians. since then, on a monthly basis it has bombed, beheaded or attacked cities around the world. last week isis claimed responsibility for suicide bombings in lebanon that killed at least 43 people. joining us now, graham wood contributing editor for the atlantic and the edward r. murrah fellow at the council of foreign relations. good to see you. you wrote an article "what isis really wants" and i want to get to that. but bu maybe the basic question is that people are trying to get their head around who's isis? what motivates them? >>

isis, though, claiming responsibility for the attacks. these are the deadliest attacks in europe in more than a decade. a situation not seen in france in generations. the french president calling them an act of war. and our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto is with me now. jim, we just literally have these headlines crossing, identifying the first of the attackers. >> that's right. this appears to be the same frenchman we reported had been identified by his fingerprints and someone known to the police previously, known to have been radicalized but not necessarily involved in terrorism. this gives you what president hollande referred to earlier in the day, this plot had apparently had both local and international involvement. >> so we're learning about this man, 29 or 30 years old, was known to french authorities prior to this. but that is one of seven. >> exactly. >> of course, there's a network beyond that. what about the other names? >> you have that initial ring of the attackers that carried out these attacks. they have

at the hands of isis.ly one of the commanders there say we welcome foreign troops, french, russian, american, anyone here to help us finish the job. a lot of determination. a lot of optimism, i think. but not much in the way of numbers or equipment. they have with them some as your guest referring to sunni, arab fighters who want to take the fight to isis who indeed alongside those kurds if they're going to go into a sunni city like raqqah, but those numbers are slight. we heard them talk about americans being potentially around, maybe special forces are on the ground at this stage, but they don't have -- they have the desire but not quite momentum or capability at this stage to launch that ground offensive against raqqah, john. >> nick paton walsh for us in irbil, returning from a remarkable journey right up into raqqah right now. take a look at that report on cnn.com. thank you so much, nick. that is all for "the lead" today. i'm john berman in for jake tapper. stick around for "the situation room" with

to be able to take out isis.ies of doing this, but we have not shown the will. >> what would you like to see the president do. set the campaign aside here, in the next two weeks, you want president obama to do what? >> declare a no fly zone over syria. directly arm the forces in iraq. reengage with the sunni triable leaders. garner the support of our european airlines. lead. that's what i want him to do. i want them to lead. he has the capability of doing this, we have the resources, this is a threat to western civilization and we should consider it that way. >> what do you tell an american public that says the iraq war, investigation, nothing has changed in the middle east. we had a terrorist threat before and we have a there's threat now. what policy works? because we tried different -- we tried intervention, we tried toppling dictators and nation building, what do you tell the american public? >> i tell them that a califate the size of eindiana will garne strength every day. my heart goes out to the people of

by isis.ere you look, there is some suggestion you could be near a mine of some sort. that has slowed the process of peshmerga. they do now appear to be closer toward the city center as there is minimal gun fire at this stage. i heard one loud sustained burst. i don't know if it is celebratory or if isis is fighting back. they are still inside the city. i heard from an official and fighting is all around. a volunteer i spoke to called jason talks about how they were treating the patients. the key question is how can you get people back who live there? you have to clear the mines and rebuild the city. this is a yazidi population. many of them are weary. the question is how many isis fighters are still hiding out. >> if the kurds you are with manage to retake the city, do you have a sense, nick, of what is next or will they keep pushing the isis forces? >> reporter: these movements appear to be well planned and coordinated with u.s. special forces to help bring in air strikes around as well. any

or an isis affiliate. this would mean the crash of metrojet flight 9268 was an act of terror in the skies, the biggest such attack since 9/11. this news follows a move by the uk to delay flights due to leave from the sinai peninsula resort town sharm el sheikh, a suspension of such flights by ireland and news that the u.s. embassy in cairo, egypt, has instructed staff not to travel to the sinai. our reporters along with our terrorism and aviation experts are all standing by across several continents to bring you this breaking story. but let's start with cnn's barbara starr live for us at the pentagon. barbara, you and your team broke the story a short while ago. tell us what you know. >> well, cnn has been looking across all government agencies at any signs of what the obama administration may be thinking about all of this. and we now know that this is not a firm absolute conclusion, but indeed based on the intelligence they have the u.s. now does believe it was most likely a bomb that brought down this pl

this is what i call the briar patch for isis.kind of ground force that is not sunni arab in composition is going to meet not just with resistance by isis but also by fellow travelers, by the local communities and population that see isis believe it or not, i know this is difficult in the west to wrap our heads around. they see isis as a better alternative than any other ethnic of sectarian minority group that might come in. this is why the kurds will never be full hearty to march on raqqah city because they would be slaughtered if they tried. >> general hertling has the iraqi government made any improvements in terms of reaching out to sunni groups, to sunnis in this area? >> yeah, all indicators are they have. we're seeing some effects north and so they are getting in the area. we're starting to see successes by a combination of she ya militia and sunni tribes men that would be you think thinkable. there is coordination and distrust certainly but they are coordinating because they have lived under isis for a year and they are be

seeing isis rise. something needs to be done. >> it is not just isis. it is radical islam. during the cold war. islamic extremists. it is not just a matter of doing this, doing that. you have to have a comprehensive plan. >> i want to ask you about that. you think back to the days of world war ii. could we be in an environment where suddenly, and you saw that picture, having a deep puddle. we need to engage with the lice of putin and say, all right, we are in this together. the difference is aside. this is a threat to humanity. >> what i really wanted to see out of this conference is all of them affected. we had differences, but we will put aside those differences and understand what threatens western civilization is radical islam. we will have a military plan. we will have an ideological plan. we endorse you. we endorse your call to reform from within. we are going to have a whole range of issues to deal with this. the way we defeat this is the way we defeated the fascists. >> a comprehensive strategy. >> you really do. >> i do not know where churchill is. i do not know or

but the of battle against isis but demographically isis said the end of days is coming and will begin in a town in a province so exactly where this war is taking place because this will usher in an armageddon as a powerful narrative if they come anywhere near to get these areas. i don't think anyone wants to see united states shut down russian aircraft. i had the problem to engage the iranian ground forces. that coalition the ayatollah of the supreme leader of the expeditionary rain - - wing to deliver a deliberate defeat and selling it to the iranian people and resistance fighters are putting to death now the people are starving because there is still a sanctions regime. we have a toolkit we're just not moving these at our disposal the ears or i am sympathetic we're tired and even if you don't believe the liberal interventionism were to go in search of monsters and abroad the problem with this idea is you may not be interested in the middle east but they are interested did you but you cannot extract yourself from this part of the world is because when you step down we will create equ

>> isis. >> isis and you build around that. build into the next series of steps of assad and so on. i don't think you find a resolution to assad until you figure out dealing with isis and you bring the countries and leaders together on some unification. we have differences with iran for years and years and russia for years. but you can't let the differences dictate or you can't become captive to the differences. let's center on the core threat, the common threat. build out from there. if you can build some platform of stability, that gets you to a point where you can start to maybe unravel some of this. all the countries of the middle east are going to have to be part of this. we can't do it. the military can't do it. the u.s. can't do it. the russians can't do it. western europeans can't do it. what is happening here is completely out of control, and there's no prospect for bringing any kind of stability, i think, on the path we're on now. that was what i was talking about in a memo. >> did it fall on deaf ears? >> well, we ha

forces targeted the isis fighter known as jihadi john. seen in horrific videos showing the murders of a number of isis hostages. it has not yet been confirmed whether jihadi john side died in the air raid, but a u.s. official said they knew they had him in their sights when they launched the ire strike. a would-be suicide bomber claims he was sent to beirut by isis along with three other attackers. and according to a lebanese security source, that's just one of many details the suspect has revealed to investigators. a pair of suicide blasts killed more than 40 people and wounded at least 200 at a busy margt in beirut thursday. the surviving bomber is a lebanese national. it appears the other three were killed. a reported isis statement claimed responsibility for the blast. cnn has not confirmed its authenticity. well, the surviving attacker appears to be pulled away from the rubble. but cnn cannot independently confirm that. we must warn you some of the footage you're about to see is graphic. cnn's jim shuto has more. >> reporter: the exp

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isis needs to penetrate that. you. let me to go to ththere is a l that t has been made about the r rift between al qaeda and the isis guys. talk about whether this is a withoutce witith how -- a distinction. or something that could be exploited the alliance? >> that is a good question. it's primarily strategic and over methodology. how to achieve the aims of the groups. they agree that the most important goal in the ultimate goal is th establishment of the muslime caliphate. s global spread. from there on, how to get to ey point, that is where they differ. with isis their belief is that it starts actually byeclaring it over a piece of territory with resources and population. and building it from there on. with al qaeda, the model is much more grassroots. building ideological support among the local population. and attacking t the west to draw into a confrontation with that population. isis does not care what the population thinks. it believes enough of themem can be co-opted and the rest can be coerced. vago: do you th

on the one hand we use the word isis. everybody in the government seems to use isil, and yo you hr john kerry and others use the term daesh. >> they're all designating the same thing and it comes from the name of the organization two years ago when tifs known as something else. and i think it's fine whatever they decide to call it. the idea has gone around that daesh is a particular pejorative that the islamic state doesn't like. i don't think that's really true. i don't think they get that worked up about it. >> rose: what you call them? >> yeah. they don't really worry about it. they call themselves the islamic state. i personally have no problem doing it. but the president is very careful not to do it because he believes that by calling them islamic you're justifying their religious identity and by calling them a state you are recognizing them as a state. >> gl i'm assuming it offends a lot of other muslim states. >> yes. that's the idea. but in fact it is a state, and whether it's islamic or not is something for musli

with isis. isis in syria and iraq. the u.s. says this is ogress but it's very hard to stop these kinds of attacks. if these are isis sympathizers or recruits, it's a big problem for law enforcemen >> and we see the scenes in paris, t this coming on the heels of the strike against jihadi john yesterday. >> and this has suchn indication of being so well-planned, it's unlikely i has been triggered by that alone. and over the summer, messages beginning in july of bringing slaughter to the streets of paris. >> and mt olsen, we know two of the attackers have been killed at the bataclan, but others may be on the loose. and borders are closed in france. tell us what this ans, and what the counterterrorism authorities in france will be doing. >> well, whwhat's happening in france, the united kingdom, and certainly in the united ates, they're talking to each other, scouring the databases for threats or warnings, and making sure that that information is being shared immediately with the french counterterro

isis seized mosul.ined ground in iraq and syria with somewhere between 20 and 31 thousand fighters in iraq and sere and around the world. in the u.s., the islamic state became a household name in 2014 after it released a video. it showed the beheading of american james foley. in january, 2015, ahmedy coulibaly pledged allegiance to isis two days before his death. in february and then in april, isis released video showing the massacre of egyptian christians. since then, on a monthly basis it has bombed, beheaded or attacked cities around the world. last week isis claimed responsibility for suicide bombings in lebanon that killed at least 43 people. joining us now, graham wood contributing editor for the atlantic and the edward r. murrah fellow at the council of foreign relations. good to see you. you wrote an article "what isis really wants" and i want to get to that. but bu maybe the basic question is that people are trying to get their head around who's isis? what motivates them? >> isis is an organiza

the get rid of isis. -- get rid of isis.the way, we get this idea that nonintervention means 150,000 troops on the ground or nothing at all. nobody is saying that. i mean senator mccain. michael: i don't know, you would have to ask him. but frankly, it is too late, because the russians have established their own no-fly zone. they finally did it because they knew we weren't going to lift a finger to stop them. for the last 18 months, we had how many u.s. aircraft flying in the skies in syria, dropping bombs on isis? could they really have not used as weapons to just keep the syrian aircraft away? bernard-henri: if we cannot do more, let's have the kurds -- they are the real boots on the ground. charlie: the president would say we are helping the kurds -- i am back from the front above mosul. they have 4000 for maybe two or 3000 soldiers -- 2000 or 3000 soldiers. they are so weak, even on the ground, we could do much more, why don't we do it? charlie: what if this attack took place in new york rather than paris? matt: it would

while french warplanes unloaded bombs over the so-called isis capital, the city isis terroristerrorisrorists tore apart stayed under lockdown. this man, salah abdeslam, a belgium-born french national might be the most-wanted person on the planet right now. ivan watson and nic robertson are working sources in belgium and france to get the latest on this growing investigation. nick, you're in paris. in its message claiming responsibility for the citywide slaughter, isis said eight, eight of its so-called terrorists, they don't call them terrorists, we call them involved, were involved. the paris prosecutors says only serve were killed. do they think this man could be the other terrorist? >> salah abdeslam appears to be. his brother has been identified as one of the attackers. they attacked the restaurants. he detonated his explosives. his explosive belt, suicide bombing himself, if you'd like, outside the cafe comptoir. arrest warrants put out for him. 1 meter 75 centimeters high. described as dangerous, 26 years old. he was actually picked up and questioned by french police a few hours

this is what isis is doing.uestion whether or not that passport was planted and whether or not it was authentic. this is a group that's so i incredibly savvy on social media. >> thank you very much. clashing over whether america is in now a fight against, quote, radical islam. said this attack showed attack in paris showed we're at war with radical islam. do you agree with that characterization? said this attack showed attack in paris showed we're at war with radical islam. do you agree with that characterization? >> i don't think we're at war with islam. i think we're at war with jihadist. >> he said radical islam. i think you can talk about islamists who are jihadists. it's not particularly helpful to make the case that senator sanders was just making that i agree with that we've got to reach out to muslim countries and have them be part of our coalition. >> that response prompted marco rubio to go after hillary clinton during a sunday show this morning. >> you saw she didn't want to use the word radical islam

he says in the rise of isis, one of isis,n the rise many strands of blame, but no key to the complex puzzle. let's begin with the rise of isis. take as to how this group again and how they have grown? >> you have to look at two different moments, and the first moment -- this will be a little controversial -- 2000 three. the american military came into baghdad. some of our early decisions were, you know, we did not have a lot of experience there, so it blame, but wecast marginalize the regime of saddam hussein rid of a lot of really talented people -- , able people in the bureaucracy had nowhere to go. people very quickly -- a jordanian militant was smart enough to see that. realizeery clever to that these people were going to be marginalized and he ended up organizing very quickly. talking to an insurgent back in 2003 and it was very clear, it was a sunni who lost their job. they talked about religion, tribalism. anyway, we all know the story. i think it took us a long time. and by the end, i think most people agree and people who disagree with the invasion say that the american mili

was against isis. the turks, for instance it did not like isis but they left the border open and even though they said they are now checking the border it looks like all the belgians and the french who came back from syria came back from turkey without difficulty. they needed also isis to counterbalance the kurds. particularly the pkk in their syrian branch. so now that he has won the election he needs to as we say in french, -- he may be well interested in having a more active and offensive policy against isis. look at the gcc, though the governments always said they were against isis, nevertheless there was a lot of money flowing from the coffers of the gcc countries to boost isis because they were a real, you know they were fighting against. look at what happened in beirut and of course in iraq. so of course it was something that they would not put all of their strength in this issue. look at russia and their are in russia, they they are bad gays, the propaganda, but as far as their concern they wer

trish: they were working for isis? they were on the isis payroll? >> sure. trish: they were driving isis trucks. >> sure. trish: but we can't attack trucks because they have truck drivers working for isis in there? >> yes. that is the why the barack obama administration talking this to ridiculous lengths. they don't want anybody who could be argued not to be part of the eni m you can't effectively fight a war that way. it's a shame occasionally people are going to die who are not immediate participants, but, it is, you can't be effective doing what he has been doing for months. trish: so given where we are on this, and knowing what we know about vladmir putin, and perhaps him not playing by the same kind of rules, do you think that the world plight turn to him? we have hollande going to putin and asking for help in this war against isis, while our own president, really is offering nothing in the way of additional support. i mean, is vladmir putin and russia going to be ones to potentially lead this fight. maybe that's not a bad thing if our own president isn