fed up with isis and then see no isis rules. they don't want to isis to go back to their areas, ma not everyone the effective many sunnis have actually already working with iraqi government on a local level to build and rebuild their territory, willing to create in fallujah and elsewhere, there still problems but i think from segments and some sectors of sunnis are working their. some politicians are already involving iraqi government. there are still problems with what iraqi government, what iraqis call rejection, people who rejected the current system, because they think it is inherently favorable to the kurds and to the shia. so they will always supposedly they are a powerful force because they can be effective destructors to the situation. and i think according to the chief of the popular mobilization of forces, the chief himself went to jordan and went to dubai and the united arab emirates and he met with the rejectionists, what many call the neo-baathists. we don't know exactly what could happen. a national coalition with

up with isis and they've seen how isis ruled their areas and governed their areas, they don't want isis to go back to their areas, some of the sunnis, not everyone. the fact that many sunnis have already been working with the iraqi government on a local level to build and rebuild their territories whether in tikrit or fallujah and elsewhere are still problems, but i think there are some segments and some sectors of sunnis that are working there. some politicians are already involved with the iraqi government. there are still problems with what the iraqi government with -- they will always oppose it, but they're a powerful force because they can be effective destructors to the political situation there. i think according to the chief of the popular mobilization forces, the chief himself went to jordan and went to dubai and the united arab emirates. he met with the rejectionists, what many people call the neo-baathists. they're also preparing an initiative to engage the sunnis, but i think it's a temporary thing. it's an opportunity. i want to conclude by saying that mosul presents an his

if isis catches them they could hang them. apparently they just hanged four people for doing things like that. before they set out to retake mosul last month, the iraqi army and the kurdish fighters known as the peshmerga, both with support from the u.s. military, began liberating small towns on the way, including several majority christian towns like batnaya that had been occupied by isis. and when did they leave? >> three days ago. >> reporter: three days ago? this is fresh. we walked through batnaya with father emanuel youkhana. we've got to watch our step, because there could be ieds around here. youkhana is a leader in the assyrian church. he runs a local christian charity. he was anxious to inspect the town's historic church to see what damage isis had done. this was his first time back in two years. is there one word to describe how you felt when you stepped through that door? >> joy that the church had survived. but sadness for what has been done in the church. >> reporter: holy books were burned. the book of psalms? >

that isis feels is a threat.hes them to a position where they feel this invading force isn't there to liberate them, but to punish them much like mosul, fallujah and tikrit, then we're likely to see something very ugly that may be called success in the press, may be called success in this administration that will lead to a resurgence of some kind, whether it's isis 2.0 or isis morphing into an al qaeda model. i'm probably over time so i'll stop. mr. doran: that is great. before i pass the microphone to the ambassador i'm going to summarize what i heard you say in four points and you can tell me if i got it right or not. point number one, everybody on the ground is trying to improve their position before the new administration comes in under the expectation that the new administration is going to do something different and they want to position themselves to influence an administration as best as possible, number two, we have -- we, the united states, have no vision for the political -- for the post-conflict order

there's like isis inspired on one side and isis enabled in the middle where people get what they need to know online and isis directed which is most extreme. people should not make or jump to the conclusion this was somehow isis directed. as the professor said, all of this or 99% will be in artan's electronics which the fbi is in possession of, and whether he was a consumer of this radical ideology or whether there's in fact evidence to suggest he had contact with an isis operative overseas who was encouraging him and ultimately directing him to take these steps, but we just don't see that at this point. it looks to be sort of on the left-hand side of the scale, if you will. >> if he was being directed, i don't know, maybe we should be thankful that the person -- if there were directions, they were very bad directions. you know, if you want to plan something like this, you certainly could if you were of that mindset and this was very poor execution by anybody's standards. >> you know what you typically see in isis directed attacks is they try to have some what i would call proof of co

people living under the force of isis for two years. i covered the fall of the taliban in afghanistan, and these are the same sorts of things we saw when the taliban fell. i think we going to be seeing it within a matter of weeks. whether it affects the american population, we don't know whether they'll get that message. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thanks. >>> msnbc's coverage continues with "the 11th hour with brian williams". >>> tonight with the fbi director now a big part of this presidential election, and an e-mail investigation underway, hillary clinton says there is no case here. donald trump on the trail tonight sounding off warning of possible devastating e-mails, and the possibility that if elected, hillary clinton could face trial. and with trump on the attack with democrats feeling nervous, where does this race stand with just seven days to go. tonight the results of the msnbc survey, the 11th hour begins now. >>> here we are, good evening from our headquarters in new york, where t

the peshmerga built it to keep isis out. it extends 30 miles beyond the official borders of kurdistan, becoming a de facto dividing line between their growing territory and the rest of iraq. meanwhile, kurdistan is playing another important role in the ongoing conflict, hosting more than a million refugees, most of them arab iraqis, like hussein fathel and his family. >> ( translated ): my hometown could wind up in kurdistan once the borders are redrawn. but it makes no difference, so long as i can raise my family and sheep in peace. >> reporter: as the mosul offensive grinds on, kurdistan is bracing for up to one million additional refugees. that's straining resources in a region giving its all in the fight against isis. >> we have to feed them, we have to shelter them, we have to protect them. >> reporter: the u.s. has stepped in recently to help fund the kurdish military and other crisis measures related to the battle with isis. so, who are these other people? while she's hopeful about the future, kurdistan national congr

and isis is not only deadly aboveground.elaborate network of underground passageways allow their fighters to creep up behind advancing forces and shoot at them. hidden below, they can hide from u.s.-led coalition airstrikes. during the battle, isis fighters wouldn't just move around through here. they could also live in these tunnels. you can see they have been sleeping all along this one. they even have gas lanterns left and uniforms here. improvised digging machines, like this one captured by iraqi forces, are what isis is using to make the tunnels, giving themselves an advantage in the urban environment. even after their retreat isis are able to inflict casualties. they rig houses with booby- traps, and leave hidden bombs across this city, causing devastating injuries to soldiers and slowing the army's advance. abdullah's job in the bomb disposal unit just cost him his eye. an i.e.d. exploded on him last week, when he opened the front door of a house. >> ( translated ): isis planted it in the house. i tried to clear the h

isis is known for these kinds of attacks. you don't have to buy a gun, maybe drawing attention to yourself. having a car is completely innocent kind of activity. apparently he got this from a family member. picking up on phil's point, it's quite possible there is a mix of moef motives, it's not just an islamic extremist attack. he may also have personal issues. we found where an attacker had abused both his wives and was also motivated by isis. >> how do you think the police should have responded to this incident at ohio state university, based on what we know right now? >> i'm pleased he's not tweeting. i think there needs to be more information and i would add a couple things. first of all, he was 18 years old, living with his family. we may need to learn clues from his family about what they're like and hopefully we will. the second point is over the weekend it was reported in the "new york times" that president obama is expanding the legal scope of the war against al qaeda to include shabab in somalia. they have the bigge

tell isis that it's not wise to put up an isis flag a city and claim it as yours unless you can shootft and that's the biggest lesson learned so far in this campaign. >> thank you, and with that let's pass it over to the ambassador, thank you for being here, we appreciate it. >> well, thank you very much for moderating and i want to thank the hudson institute for the invitation to speak here again. i particularly want to thank michael prejean for organizing the imagine and as well as to thank all my colleagues on the panel. let me look at it, if i may, from the perspective of what i think are in iraq's interests. we've been asked to speak for a relatively brief period of time. i'm a former trial lawyer and i usually can't clear my throat in ten minutes but i'll see what i can do. i think one of the biggest mistakes that the united states made in circa 2011 was its complete disengagement from iraq. i don't mean necessarily the withdrawal of troops, that's a more subtle question dealing with the -- i mean, i do wish the united states had maintained troops there but i also understand it

when isis attacked kirkuk, they managed to divert thousands of anti-isis fighters away from mosul. the attack was so audacious, it recalled the isis takeover of mosul two years ago, thanks in large part to the support of the locals. it appears isis hoped for a similar welcome in kirkuk. but that's not what happened. >> their aim was to come and control this building, to come in it and declare they that had controlled the building and controlled kirkuk for the islamic state. >> there's something about kirkuk that's so different from everywhere else. in other places when these things happen, people hide and run away. the people of kirkuk do the contrary. they put their belts on, their guns on, and they all come in. we lost 34 people who had just come on their own as volunteers. so the people of kirkuk are very resilient. and i think isis was in for a surprise. >> reporter: but the attack may have aggravated ethnic tensions. amnesty international and the united nations have accused kurdish authorities of driving hundreds of arab families out of the city in an act of retaliation. >> th

the united states, turkey, saudi arabia are supporting isis. he is holding the line against isis. charlie: what his is argument that makes isis a creation of the united states and saudi arabia? dexter: this is a story they tell themselves. you have the united states, saudi arabia, turkey -- it is true they have been supported rebel groups who are fighting assad. the united states is not supporting isis. american soldiers are dying. charlie: the al-nusra group? dexter: maybe not primarily, but there are so many groups fighting syria. you have al-nusra, the al qaeda affiliate. charlie: we support supporting them. dexter: we don't support al-nusra, but a lot of the money and arms that have been pumped into syria has gone to them. that allows president assad and the syrian government to say look, the united states and all of their allies are supporting the evil isis. charlie: they say that because you are fighting me and therefore supporting them because my enemy is them. dexter: basically. charlie: it is really rebel forces trying to overthrow him. dexter: this is not a civil war. th

tell isis that it's not wise to put up an isis flag a city and claim it as yours unless you can shoot down american aircraft and that's the biggest lesson learned so far in this campaign. >> thank you, and with that let's pass it over to the ambassador, thank you for being here, we appreciate it. >> well, thank you very much for moderating and i want to thank the hudson institute for the invitation to speak here again. i particularly want to thank michael prejean for organizing the imagine and as well as to thank all my colleagues on the panel. let me look at it, if i may, from the perspective of what i think are in iraq's interests. we've been asked to speak for a relatively brief period of time. i'm a former trial lawyer and i usually can't clear my throat in ten minutes but i'll see what i can do. i think one of the biggest mistakes that the united states made in circa 2011 was its complete disengagement from iraq. i don't mean necessarily the withdrawal of troops, that's a more subtle question dealing with the -- i mean, i do wish the united states had maintained troops there but

troops to take on isis. he would pressure other countries to fight instead. >> i would hit them so hard your head would spin. there is nobody bigger or better at the military than i am. >> reporter: on the ground in iraq, the u.s. spent two years of careful diplomacy, building a fragile co-legislation to fight isis. which the trump administration will now inherit. across the border in syria, aleppo is again being bombard by air strikes on rebel held areas. killing civilians and damaging hospitals. strikes from its aircraft carrier in the mediterranean sea. despite international condemn nation of russia's actions, the president elect suggest heed will work together with moscow and would end american support for syrian rebels. in syria's multisided conflict, scott, that could benefit russia's ally, the syrian people for more than four years. >> holly williams reporting from istanbul tonight. holly, thank you. in another important story, a saint anthony, minnesota police officer charged with happy to talk about

what is his plan for isis? stay tuned.e worked with pg&eof to save energy because wenie. wanted to help the school. they would put these signs on the door to let the teacher know you didn't cut off the light. the teachers, they would call us the energy patrol. so they would be like, here they come, turn off your lights! those three young ladies were teaching the whole school about energy efficiency. we actually saved $50,000. and that's just one school, two semesters, three girls. together, we're building a better california. >>> on friday president-elect trump named his national security team. one of the key people on that team is this man, general michael flynn. his last job in government was head of the defense intelligence agency, the dia. when i interviewed flynn a year and a half ago for a documentary on isis i asked him about the circumstances of his departure from that job. but first i asked him about president obama's fight against isis and what he would do differently. remember as you watch this man who was so cr

that claim of responsibility by isis, the first time, we believe, that isis has claimed responsibility one of the many bombings that they are believed to be tied to here in turkey. it's very rare because this is a recruiting ground for them. this is where they oftentimes recruit jihadists and, therefore, they don't want other muslims to recruit them from getting into the fold. but the isis founder put out a video message saying that turkey is a new target. but here is the thing that makes it unusual. all of the -- the characteristics of this bombing fit kurdish mill at that points. it was in southeastern turkey in a city that has been targeting before. it targeted a police station, not civilians. nine people did end up dying and a hundred were injured. the turkish government put out a statement saying the turkish militant group, the pkk, is responsible. this is just coming after a major crackdown on a political party believed to be tied to these kurds. a dark nice for democracy say many here in turkey, police forcing open the door of the cochair of turkey's people's democratic party, t

the fight against isis. right now there are two offensives happening, one to recapture the second largest city in iraq, mosul. the other to regain troell control of what the isis terrorists tall wir caliphate dmaept raqqah, syria. late saturday forces began the mo move, and the u.s. support providing air operations, it comes at a time u.s.-backed iraqi forces are pushing forward right to the heart of mosul. [ gunfire ] the battle for iraq's second largest city is bloody and brutal as convoys move through neighborhoods, isis militants are using civilians as human shields and using their homes for cover. one of our own cnn teams witnessed the battle firsthand. awful. while traveling with iraq-led forces in mosul, our senior international correspondent arwa damon and our photojournalist brees lennay were caught up in an isis ambush and spent 28 hours under attack. they were trapped not knowing if they would survive. fortunately they did. arwa is joining us now. she's safe. she's near mosul not that far away. ar

the problem is that the affiliates in africa or asia only pledged allegiance to isis because isis was a rising star. it was a brand that these affiliates wanted to use. if isis loses a lot more territory in iraq and syria it's anyone's guess whether those affiliates will still want to be associated with that brand. >> thank you for that analysis. five days left before the u.s. presidential election. donald trump is hoping to use the latest rebound in his rivals e-mail scandal to his it dented. he spoke at a rally in florida. president barack obama was there as well. stumping for hillary clinton hours after traveling to north carolina. the democrat through one of the crowds in her campaign in a state that is traditionally republican but she believes may vote left. more on what swing states will be decisive in tuesday's election. >> we are going to win the great state of florida and we're going to win the white house. his third visit to the sunshine state in recent weeks. donald trump is hitting florida hard. it's all in a bid to rack up votes in one of america's so-called swing states

there is isis.rikes me about it is that the real danger to the western world seems to be these lone wolf attacks or small groups, often locals, often radicalized kind of alienated young men. i imagine we'll be able to defeat isis, but what do you do about that the next time you have a crazy couple or a jihadi couple somewhere in the united states or france who decide to launch an attack? >> so barack obama's response was isis itself is not an existential threat to the united states. we will do everything we can to contain it. but what we'll actually do is emphasize this is not a war on islam. we will work with american muslim communities and we will fight that threat through intelligence. i think trump is in a very different place. you actually just heard it. there's the view that this is world war iii against radical islamic terrorism. and remember he kept beating up on obama for not naming it. he does think it's more versus islam, and oddly he conflates that with iran because iran is actually oppo

she empowered iran and she unleashed isis. she wants to get rid of isis? she is the one that started it, came through the vacuum. now it is in 32 countries. i watched her during the debate meekly talk about isis. and i said to her, you've been here for 30 years, hillary. you started isis. you were secretary of state when it started. why are you going to get rid of it? you can't get rid of anything. you don't know what you're doing. now she wants to start a shooting war in syria in conflict with a nuclear-armed russia, that could very well lead to world war iii. remember, putin has no respect for her either. has no respect for her. doesn't like her around doesn't respect her. doesn't like obama and doesn't respect him. hillary and the failed washington establishment spent $6 million in the middle east on wars we never win and now it is

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inspired by isis. authorities haven't shared that with us but the way in which he conducted this attack after he got out of the car with the butcher knife all leads them to believe that he was inspired by isis. the other thing we keep seeing is anwar al awlaki, he keeps popping up so clearly dead after so many years still playing a role, still inspiring some of these attackers but certainly the role isis continues to play in their propaganda and stuff they keep putting out, these magazines are having an effect and while we're not seeing as many people traveling to syria. there's still concern the damage they're doing can go on for quite some time. even though we're perhaps eliminating isis across the world but there's concern their propaganda is going to last for years to come. >> do we know, shimon, i know you reported this car he used, it was a family men's car. do we know if he lived at home or where he had been to school and his relationship to ohio state? >> the school told us he was a freshman th

it's proceeding slowly as isis is using citizens as human shields. >> when we were trying to flee, isis shot at us randomly. >> reporter: in the meantime isis attacked civilians with a car bomb. witnesses described the attack as sudden and brutal. >> i was asleep and everything blew blew up. >> there was thick smoke and several cars were burped. people lost their lives for a crime they had nothing to do with. >> reporter: in the coming weeks, officials expect more suicide bombers as the pressure mounts on isis. >>> there is new information on the deadly school bus crash in tennessee that left six people dead. questions were raised about erratic driving by the bus driver. they said driver johnthony walker voifd off the road before the bus -- drove off the road before the bus hit a tree. >>> we have a live look at a festive union square in san francisco. it's all here for the macy's tree lighting ceremony. this is alo black, he is kicking off the ceremony. the tree is decorated with 33,000 energy efficient lights. they are a little behind schedule. always a fun time. >> have you ever gone

we have no choice but to take isis out. they are chopping off heads, doing things -- not since medieval times has anything like this happened. now hillary is saying, we will get isis. what the hell did she let it start for? isis is in 32 countries around the world. we have people in leadership that are grossly incompetent and we will change it. ok? i am honored to have the endorsement of more than 200 top admirals and generals and 22 medal of honor recipients. we saw that last night near fort bragg. we had more people last night than i have tonight, although if you include the people outside, we may have more. [cheers and applause] i am not sure. hillary clinton brought death and disaster to iraq, syria, libya, and she empowered iran and she unleashed isis all across the world. hillary and our failed establishment have spent $6 trillion on wars in the middle now that we do not win and the middle east is in far worse shape and far more dangerous than it ever was before. they dragged us into foreign wars, shipped our jobs and

some might be isis. we better be really careful.he people coming into the country, they're going to have to go out. we have no idea. and they're coming in from syria. and you know, i spoke with a lot of great experts in terms of safety and borders and they say there's absolutely no judge when you don't have any documents. now isis is also now making passports. they stole the passport machines. they're making passport. these are slick customers. we're going to have to knock the hell out of them. i will say this. i don't want to put people -- we've spent, probably if you add it up, probably $5 trillion over there. in the meantime our country is falling apart, our infrastructure is falling apart. i was against the war in iraq from the beginning but they shouldn't have gotten out the way they got out. i said take the oil. i wrote about osama bin lad nen that was published two years before 9/11. the "the new york times" killed me. i talked about brussels. i said five years ago, brussels is a hell hole and they did a story. >> is bombing

(gunfire) isis makes their own drones. we were told this one carried c4 explosives and targeted major salam. salam wanted to show us how long isis had been preparing for this their base. it's purpose: to provide cover and run fighters from village to village. >> logan: this runs from where? >> salam: from bartella all the way to mosul. >> logan: all the way to mosul? and how far is that? >> salam: about 25 kilometers. >> logan: 25 kilometers or about 16 miles long. and nine feet down lay the bodies of isis fighters his men had just killed. >> we try to know who they are. >> logan: the golden division punched through mosul's city limits last week. since then it has been engaged in intense combat and taking back a fraction of the city. major salam knows more about isis and its fighters than almost anyone. his elite soldiers fought them when the iraqi army wouldn't. in mosul, keeping the civilians safe is one of his main priorities. we saw hundreds of them-- women all they could, including white surrender flags. salam said is

a major and imminent isis plot. the base of the plot was in strasburg. four suspects were arrested there and another in marseilles on sunday. the orders came right from the isis leadership. the attacks planned for as early as december 1st. french authorities say the cell already had automatic weapons and plans to acquire more. screen grabs of potential targets and a handwritten letter professing loyalty to isis. president hollande congratulate z authorities for warting the attack. just this week, the state department issued a warning that isis planned to continue attacks around europe for the holiday season. why not? isis is taking a beating on the battlefield in syria and iraq and security experts expect isis sympathizers will try to avenge losses in the middle east with attacks overseas. >> they try to link up with individuals they've already planted in the west or they try and send individuals out from behind the front lines. >> isis may be under attack, but that could make it at least in the near term even more

isis does not let them leave. and the soldiers don't know who is friend or foe and there were a couple of instances when the soldiers that we were with said they went into a building and a family would be hiding downstairs and they would go up into the upstairs floor and there would be isis fighters in the same building. how do you actually fight a war like that in a city the size of mosul with 1.2 million people in it. the sad reality of it that everyone has to accept at this point in time is that this is going to be absolutely devastating. if this is the kind of fight, these are the kind of tactics isis is using on its very eastern edge, just imagine what it's going to be like in the central part of the city and in the western part that's meant to be their stronghold. >> arwa damon, thanks for your courageous reporting. so important that people see that so that they can understand. arwa damon, thank you so much. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the season of audi sales event

they encountered against isis. take away from all this is not just how sophisticated of an enemy isis is but intelligence known. prior to this a lot of the reporting and intelligence that we were getting and others were getting from numerous different sources is how isis was moving its fighters and assets from the east to the west. everyone pretty much expected the east to relatively speaking fall very quickly. obviously, that is not the case. i think in talking to the soldiers, as well, they knew the battle was going to be tough when it came to mosul. they all said they did not expect it to be this tough, not in the initial stages. >> all right, arwa, thank you very much. nobody knows how to do the job any better than you, but, please, stay safe and stay in touch. two big take aways there. used to seeing journalists like us in harm's way at war, but usually with american troops. very different deal with these coalition forces. arwa has an organization called nrara to take care of those families that get injured du

sympathizers but preaching against isis.ot supporting it. >> anything is worth trying. at least make it harder. making harder for them to save -- making it harder for them. to save our children. >> reporter: sally evans grew up in a london suburb. >> he was just a normal little boy. he was on his computer. >> reporter: like many online recruits, he drifted away from family and friends. eventually joining the terrorist group al shabaab. he was killed in this terrorist attack. the group used video of his death as propaganda. >> no mother should have to see that. that was awful. the final moments. at the moment there was nothing i could have done. >> i could have done worse. >> reporter: also falling into radicalism online. >> people need to know that anyone can become radicalized. >> reporter: he was considering a bomb attack in london but pulled back. >> what pulled me back was kind of listening to more relatively more moderate scholars. >> reporter: he was not a part of redirect but thinks it could discourage others. it appe

-led coalition against isis. among those speaking, the former iraqi ambassador to the united nations. this is one hour and a half. >> good afternoon, welcome to the hudson institute. my name >> hi, good afternoon. welcome to the hudson institute. we welcome you today to talk about the u.s. election, and the future of iraq. i am very honored to have with us a distinguished panel. , a seniordiate left fellow at the atlantic council, and the director of the council 's future of iraq program. a former iraqi ambassador to the united nations. the founding director of the indiana university center for the study of the middle east and a fellow of the american academy of arts and sciences. to his left is a senior fellow at hudson. he has recently returned from iraq from the front lines. mike was an intelligence officer in iraq, and has recently come back from the front lines. without further ado, i will turn it over to mike to give us a sense about what he found during his trip in iraq. mr. pregent: i told my peshmerga ge

but at the same time he says my number one focus is isis, anyone who is fighting isis we should ally with. well the number one country outside of the region outside of the iraqis that are fighting isis is iran. iran has been in the forefront of fighting isis, they are really enemy number one because they are the dreaded shiite power that isis has been rebelled against. so how can you be in favor of everyone battling isis and at the same time deeply opposed to iran. >> well, we had a lot of americans during world war ii who realized -- as did franklin roosevelt -- that we had to fight the nazis first but at some point we were going to have to deal with the communists and it took us 45, 50 years to win world war ii and to defeat the soviets in the cold war. on a smaller scale, in a sense, this is the kind of problem we face. it's two totalitarian movements and one of them is of an immediate concern and the other is of the long-term and study and, i think, deeper concern. >> but if that's the case if i can just interrupt you if that's the case to follow your analogy should we in the sho

now, isis is taking a beating on the battlefield in syria and in iraq, and security experts expect isis or its sympathizers will try to avenge losses in the middle east with attacks overseas. >> they try and link up with individuals they've already planted in the west or they try and send individuals out from behind the front lines. >> reporter: isis may be under attack, but that could make it at least in the near term even the paris prosecutor said four of the five suspects are french, the other moroccan. two are said to have traveled here to turkey a year ago and visited the syrian border area. france thwarted this plot, but u.s. officials are convinced more may be coming. >> richard evening el in istanbul. thank you, richard. >>> in california it was the kind of jail break you see in movies, the window bars cut off, a make-shift rope used to get to the grou, was real and two inmates who apparently had the tools and imagination to pull it off are still on the run this evening. a $20,000 reward has been offered. our miguel almaguerre has the details. >> reporter: tonight the massive ma

it needs the threat of isis to stay in syria. back to your point, the force is able to mobilize iraqi shia militias to go to syria. they didn't go to raqqah, they went to aleppo, other places, places that would shore up assad regime, go after u.s.backed rebels. they were comfortable working with the air force already and some leader have actually asked russia be involved in the iraqi operations. fractured state in iraq. it wants to maintain leverage. one thing that kept al maliki and power was the threat of an al qaeda resurgence. it is always nice to say, keep me in power or they will come back. i don't believe that iran wants isis defeated in iraq, but i also believe it is balancing the political parties as they seek positions. if you just look at the motives, it's been to take over places, the sunni triangle, birth place of saddam hussein, take over these places, punish in fallujah to protect shia fault line and allow everything else to just be pointed that way. >> to build up the militias, which they have influence over on th

he joined isis.e, don't take any advise from a guy that says he's from isis, unless it's banging a goat. by all means, and away. pete, you're a great hero. >> double trump's rhetoric makes it easier for rhetoric to spread? >> of course i don't. the left is this unholy alliance with islamists, in promoting this idea the more we talk about t the greater the problem becomes. when you talk to muslims they want the bifurcation, they want to -- there are the pure radicals and peace-hovering muslims. donald trump's rhetoric will shine a light around politicians that have tip towed around since 9/11 without talking about the radical islam and how it motivates and it is a political ideology, as well. you don't understand why they formed a calcaliphate, and why they're trying to infiltrate the west. it's smart he raised the issue and smart people like rudy giuliani, helps address the threat. >> and what is the strategy? >> on our end, it's fear. people haven't been afraid of the united states in a long time. n

what about the 1,000 fbi, homeland security investigations going on in the country today, isis, isist, that we think we have people here? >> let's talk not just about leads. we have 1,000 leads. that could pan out to whatever. we have arrested or killed 124 isis terrorists on u.s. territory in just 2 1/2 years. that's insane. not 24, not 34. 124. that's just isis. that's not al qaeda. that's just isis, sean. >> but part of extreme vetting or not allowing -- you know, what i don't understand, i like syrian safe zones because people victims of a civil war we can provide food, medicine, clothing, supplies, security, whatever they need. i like that, but how do we invite people into a country when they grew up in a country where men get to tell women how to dress, they can't drive, they kill guys and lesbians, and christians and jews are persecuted. it c constitutional values. >> sean, this is why brexit happened. this is why the trump train happened. it is the end of political correctness and insanity. let me quote to you a muslim chief of police from the biggest refugee camp in jordan.

sympathizers but preaching against isis. not supporting it. >> anything is worth trying. at least make it harder. making harder for them to save -- making it harder to save our children. >> reporter: sally evans grew up in a london suburb. >> he was just a normal little boy. he was on his computer. >> reporter: like many online recruits, he drifted away from family and friends. eventually joining the terrorist group al shabaab. he was killed in this terrorist attack. the group used video of his death as propaganda. >> no mother should have to see the final moments. at the moment there was nothing i could have done. >> i could have done worse. >> reporter: also falling into radicalism online. >> people need to know that anyone can become radicalized. >> reporter: he was considering a bomb attack in london but pulled back. >> what pulled me back was kind of listening to more relatively more moderate scholars. >> reporter: he was not a part of redirect but thinks it could discourage others. it appears some may be in an eight-we

on the roof top they scan for isis fighters. the soldiers get ready for the attack they know is coming. someone has been shot. the grief of a woman yards away is almost hideous. and then it erupts again. isis has the house surrounded. our only defenders are mostly the walking wounded. a grenade lands in the court yard. more wounded are brought in. they tell us it was tossed by an isis fighter in the house behind us. an air strike hits the house and brings down the outer wall of the home we are in. the family we're with hide under the staircase. one of the boys cried "i don't want to die." hours later a moment of utter relief. our regiment maz arrived as backup along with a humvee to evacuate us. it is less than a mile to safety. we're lucky. we can leave the combat zone. these men will have to return. the battle for mosul has only just begun. >> your reporting and video is just so chilling to watch. you allow us to vicariously live the terror with you. one of the most intense moments is where you say it is dawn and we are alive.