and it also just feeds into the isis narrative. >> that's what i wanted to ask you. is is what isis wants to hear. >> of course it is. >> how does that work? spell it out, why this is good for isis. >> isis says, join the isis cause because the world is against muslims and we, isis, are defending muslims. so here comes mr. trump and says, isis is right. join the isis team or join other radicals, or you're going to be deported, or you're going to be kicked out of the country. i kept thinking to myself while he was making these statements, what exactly would this look like? i spend a lot of time on planes. so you come to the airport. are there people standing there asking you questions? are you a muslim? how exactly do you prove it? do you prove a negative? what do you know about islam? tell me what you think about mohammed. does that mean people from indonesia, people from every corner of the muslim world, over a billion people, including u.s. citizens -- >> the idea that u.s. citizens would have nowhere to come home to -- >> i don't understand where it's -- where it's

when you look at the isis narrative what they are saying is the idea -- what they are selling is thea of an inherit conflict between muslims and the rest of the world. statements like this amplify their propaganda. we are speaking from their talking points when we set up this conflict and antagonism between muslims and everyone else. katty: the report says there has been widespread criticism for all -- criticisms from all republicans and republican candidates. how are presented in to think he is on where the american public stands on the issue of muslims in the united states? >> i don't think he is representative. he is taking an extreme stance. i think these things will ultimately harm his candidacy. theexample, his points client after he called for a muslim registry. we think that these outlandish -- he thinks that these outlandish remarks will help him . they will not help him, he is miscalculating. even if there is a temporary ultimately not work. when you run on a platform like islamophobia, you end up losing. month 56 percent of americans think that islam is at odds with americ

and that feeds into the isis narrative, that they are the only true muslims, that the only home and safelace that muslims can find is within isis' warm embrace. donald trump is presenting himself as mr. security, but counterterrorism officials i have spoken to think it is absolutely counterproductive, that almost 100% of the intelligence that is gathered about isis in groups like -- and groups like them come from muslim intelligence agencies, come from muslim informers and you don't want to just alienate those people, push them aside, so it is not only offensive, offends our allies but counterproductive. >> richard and chuck, thank you for your perspectives. >>> now to the trail of terror in san bernardino and the mass sack they're sparked the latest round of rhetoric, we are learning more about the two terrorists who killed 14 people and wounded 21 as our national correspondent miguel almaguer tells us, investigators are digging into a mysterious bank deposit before the attack. >> reporter: two weeks before sayd farouk and wife tashfeen malik executed their massacre, nbc confirmed farou

. >> what about those that would say sending in troops fits right into the isis narrative? that's what they want. come on western american enemy as well as let's split the muslim population here against the west and this sort of thing. >> i would say that those same people told us to ignore the "uss cole" attack and ignore the attack in kenya. they're on the march in northern africa. if we do not go over there and defeat them, they are going to come here just like what we saw in san bernardino. >> they already are here. and more may be here. you have 900 investigations. you have syed and tashfeen. her friends say she changed in 2009. we can get into that more in about ten minutes from now about who she is and what she may represent and if there are more here. how does the president tonight reassure us? rick, can he reassure us? can he be comforter in chief? a way to say i have your back, america? some feel the federal government through its visa program and other issues just we don't. >> i'm a very hopeful person. i continue to hope for change. i continue to hope that this

>> but his comments with regard to muslims the means into the isis narrative. and the other person is responsible for that is obama. to say over here maybe 1 billion plus peace-loving muslims to have a small group of islamic radicals that is the president's job not to accuse us of the distinction with all those peaceful loving muslims contributing their families but you cannot say that he is not willing. >> >> health care will only get more and more complex. we will need more nurses to hit to those needs that but we don't emphasize that. >> politics that i have been part of all my life is not so different with the racketeers and it is the less obvious tuesday for 25 years of my career i've looked at america as an idea. and look at politics as a debate republicans believe in liberty democrats believe in equality. republicans equality of rights. democrats equality of outcome. it is the point of view of the criminal underclass is complete and total nonsense. >> the we have a system where members of congress spend time raising money and they cannot help but to be m

you really think it plays into the narrative, the isis narrative?when you look at the trump phenomenon and when you are friend and then admirer of america, as i am, as most people are. number one, you are sad forever again for the american dream, for the shining city upon the hill. donald trump does not have the dignity to embody that in any way. they were grand people. the idea that these people could be there man who looks like being drunk, each time he goes on tv or make a speech is so disgusting. number three, my feeling is that if i were a jihadist, an advisor of mr. putin, i would pray all, every day for donald trump winning the primary and maybe winning the election for all the enemies of america, it would be a blessing to have mr. donald in the office, in the power. it will be a blessing for them. they pray for that every day. for all those who have a high idea of america, it is a nightmare. you, american people, have to get away from this nightmare as soon as possible. that's my opinion. >> david, when you watch this kind of femaphenomenons

pressing clinton and obama to use and saying she doesn't see this as an opportunity to feed into the isis narrative that this is a war against islam. >> steven sloan, thank you. >>> new information in the california terror attack. the father of one of the shooters revealing the troubling change in behavior and beliefs he noted in his son. that's next. the twins. aunt alice... you didn't tell me aunt alice was coming. of course. don't forget grandpa. can the test drive be over now? maybe just head back to the dealership? don't you want to meet my family? yep, totally. it's practically yours, but we still need your signature. the volkswagen sign then drive event. zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first months payment on a new jetta and other select models. at ally bank no branches equalsit's a fact.. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason? it was geoffrey! it was jason. it could've been brenda. it begins from the the second we're born.er. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itse

have been very firm in denouncing what trump is doing and you really do think it plays into the isis narrative>> when you look at the trump phenomenon and when you are a friend and admirer of america as i am, as most of french people are, number one, you are sad for america, for the american dream, for the shining city upon the hill. donald trump is not -- does not have the dignity to embody that in any way. number two, you are sad for the grand party of abraham lincoln, ronald reagan, john mccain. even ronald reagan who at the end of the day defeated communism. it could be this man who looks like being drunk each time he goes on tv or make a speech is to disgusting and shameful. and number three, more important, my feeling that if i were a jihadist, if i were an advisor of mr. putin, i would pray all every day for donald trump winning the primary and maybe winning the election. for all the enemies of america, it would be a blessing to have mr. donald in the affairs, in the power. it will be a blessing for them. they pray for that every day. and for all those who have high idea of america, it

difficult we'll mack traction or headway against isis, everything we do in that regard plays into the isis narratives is ploy by iran to conquer their swath middle east. that plays right into their hands. david: walid, when they battlefd losses in past, that's when they strike out at home or in europe or united states. is that a possibility that we should be wary of right now? >> it is more than a possibility. almost a projection. every time they lose ground on the ground, in syria or iraq or libya for that matter they strike back against france or italy or of course the united states when and if they can just to make sure their constituencies understand they're still up and running. they have business to do. david: chris, there is another thing. which is the taliban in afghanistan is winning again. they're back to levels of strength they had back in 2001. >> yeah. 14 years into this fight and we have not made any significant difference in the arc of conflict against taliban. this is one of my points i like to make. there are severe limitations on air power. as retired aviator i love what we done th

he's invalidating a lot of work that's being done to undermine isis' narratives. so there is a level of threat here that he's taking a lot of our work, a lot of us thinking about this problem and doing our best to counter it. and undermining it in no time flat. >> let's listen to something else he said to barbara walters tonight about this. >> there's a lot of people who think isis is going to like your rhetoric, that your words are putting us in greater dpanger. >> i'm the worst thing that's ever happened to isis. the people in my party fully understand that. >> i was in a muslim country during president obama's first campaign for the presidency. and i had this young muslim guy said to me very confidently, very knowing, he was very well versed on the presidential campaign. he said of course, you know, obama can never be president. he firmly believed that the united states of america would never elect a black president. he also firmly believed that the united states of america believed it just as strongly, would never elect anyone with any name that sounded even v

feel strongly that his ,omments with regard to muslims and people try to spin it, feeds into the isis narrative, us against them. you have the leading republican candidate saying, we don't want muslims in the country. i think president obama is responsible for that as well. once you drop a redline and mean it, you will use that speech to say over here, we have one billion plus peaceloving muslims with 8 million or 9 million in the united states and across to come we have a small group of islamic radicals who wrap themselves in this perverted ideology of the koran. that is the president's job, not to tell us that we should not -- not to accuse us of not making the distinction. he is the man who needs to establish between those muslims contribute to the united states and radical islam, but he cannot see that and he is unwilling, which means he is unwilling to draw the line in the sand. talk to you guys later. >> thank you. on "the roades you to the white house," best access to the candidates at medians, speeches, rallies and meet and greets. we are taking your comments on twitter, facebook and by

his comments with regard to muslims, and i don't care how people try to spin it, feeds into the isis narrative. it's us against them. and the other person that is really responsible for that as well i think is president obama. i'll give the president obama -- he wants to draw a red line and mean it, then you use that speech the other night to say over here we have hundreds of millions, maybe a billion plus peace loving muslims, and right across here, we have a small group of islamic radicals who have wrapped themselves in this perverted ideology and interpretation of the koran. that's the president's job, not to tell us that we shouldn't -- not to accuse us of not making the distinction. he's the man that needs to make the distinction between all the peaceful loving muslims contributing and raising their families and the radical islam. but of course he can't say that. and he's unwilling to say it, which means he's unwilling to draw that line in the sand. >> thanks. >> talk to you guys later. >> hopefully your ride didn't leave. >>> c-span takes you on the road to the white house. best access t

one, it embraces and adds luster to the isis narrative. it's us against them. because that sounds to me like donald trump has said they're all terrorists, and most of the world knows they're not. and the second thing that he has done, he has created a situation here in the united states where i believe he's probably heightened the anxiety about the good, law-abiding peaceful muslims in our community. and he's kind of ignored the reality of the first amendment, as well. >> when you say that through his speech he presents this as an us versus them on a religious basis, it reminds me of the president. and governor, you and i both use the verbiage, "radical islam." but the president says the reason he doesn't is because of the reason you just said with regard to trump. because then it sets up this false choice of christianity versus islam, which is not the way the obama administration wishes this to be cast. >> michael, when the president had his sunday evening address, i felt like he thought that my fellow americans and i were bigots, that we needed a lecture from

donald trump's national registration cards for all muslim, and that is going to play directly into isis' narrative, but a as you point out, as abu bakr baghdadi put it in his sermon. there is no third way. there is the cam of the true believer, islam as we interpret it, and the kufar, so you are either with us or against us. they want the west to be against them and declare they are in this clash of the civilizations. >> and anthony n terms of the bombs, the explosives found in that garage, how much training and materiel is needed for something like that? can somebody do that? can this couple have done it on their own? would they need a bombmaker or stuff that they could figure out from reading stuff online? >> well, anderson, the devices th that i have seen just from the photographs seem kind of rudimentary and amateuristic in design, and the photographs say a lot, but the kind of piggy backing on what michael said using the phrase of the army of the invisible soldiers, they may be thinking that they are invisible, but the gist of the logistics of a amassing the pipes and the materiel and the res

this is the isis narrative which tells people and the young muslims in the west that you don't belongthat society hates you and you will never belong. they have this economy of the evil west and good muslims and you're a muslim, you don't belong in the west, so come here and carry out attacks, that polarizing message is the whole idea. the end message is to create the division within society so that muslim populations redolent -- radicalized because they do not get a sense of belonging in the west and that is a very dangerous thing we should avoid. host: senator rand paul reacting to what the president said yesterday, saying if we needs to fight -- if we need to fight isis on the ground, it should be arab boots on the ground. ifyou think it matters people are seeing who's fighting who? guest: i think western boots on -- if we see another invasion with massive ground -- i think large a western -- a large western up -- operation would bring forth the isis narrative of colonization, crusades, the rhetoric they use to recruit people. the problem is also, what kind of troops to use on the

hidden as it is now, it's one thing, but i think large western operation would bring force to the isis narrativef, you know, of colonization. the problem also is what kind of troops do you use on the ground when you talk about middle even troops. i think a lot of the work that has been done in iraq for example, the boots that we have seen are shia militia and iranian, iranian support and shia. and i think most sunni arabs are very uncomfortable in seeing shia militia, some who are just as extreme as isis on the other side being the ones to occupy their territory. so that's the problem. kurdish boots on the ground. the kurds have been great, but you cannot expect the kurds to control arab arias of iraq. that is the difficulty with finding boots on the ground that are acceptable. >> and turkey doesn't want the kurds to get too much momentum, because it could cause domestic problem for them. >> absolutely. you don't want the shia militia in iran. the kurds do not want the kurds. that's the whole crux of the matter. >> hi, greta, hi, mr. betino. first of all, do we know the objective that isis is fi

this speaks to the isis narrative, that is not possible for muslims and westerners to co-exist peacefullys living in west need to make hejda or migrate to the caliphate. >> this is what people feared would happen, isis would use it, you because you have your ear to the ground always have the direct communication about this. nic, you're based in the middle east. what's the feeling there? >> the middle east is looking for american leadership, those who care to listen to what the u.s. said. we had a keynote speech from barack obama on sunday evening. who's talking about that now? that's absolutely vanished. the only thing being discussed now is this fight remarkably offensive notion. those in the middle east who look to the united states as a symbol of better ideology will be deeply offended by this. they may understand this as a radical part of the wing, frankly, similar to the same radical ideology as isis is to the muslim faith. it's not going to assist anybody on a moderate faith. >> you're based in london. i have an interesting statement from the london mayor yesterday. he says, crime h

isis was not an existential threat. he seems to want to down play this threat all throughout his campaign narrative into his presidency, nk the american people deserve to know what the truth really is and we also want to hear from him a military strategy to defeat and destroy isis, drain the swamp so the swamp from syria can't come into the united states and san bernardino is an example of the swamp coming to the united states. >> i'd like to bring in msnbc analyst and author of "the center holds: obama and his enemies" jonathan alter and "washington post" correspondent paul singer. jonathan, you have had access to the president aes 's inner circ. what can you tell us about the timing of this speech four days after the attacks in san bernardino? >> well, it was clear that the president had to address the nation on this. there are too many loose ends that haven't been pulled together and he needs to explain to the public what his strategy is for combatting isis and for moving forward in that region and at home. the amazing thing is it has been five years since he delivered an oval office address to the american public, a

did the exact opposite and i think that we have to be careful not to give into the apocalyptic narrative of isis that wants to start a war between muslims and everybody else. that. i know you've argued muslims need to take back their religion how? >> we absolutely do. we are doing it. on friday i stood with a group of brave and courageous muslims and we stood and we provided by a declaration to the world of reform. we are calling ourselves the muslim reform movement and we are to opposing a very real interpretation of islam that espouses violence, social injustice, and political islam. and what we did is we walked through the gates of the islamic center of washington here in d.c. that's very much run by the government of saudi arabia and we posted our precepts on the door of that mosque because the problem is not simply in syria. the problem is sitting in the birthplace of islam in mecca, saudi arabia, where this interpretation of islam has gone out into the world over the last four decades, creating militancy groups from indonesia to now san bernardino, california, this vicious attack. we have

it will dent this isis narrative that they are winning.hat's so important to its support around the world amongst these extremists because they believe because icy is winning must mean that god is debe hind them. taking out these iconic leaders will make a difference. at the mid level they're fining it easy to promote people up the ranks. they're also finding it pretty easy to find new foot showoldie. they killed 30,000 of so isis operatives. it's a group with still the basic same fighting force. john? >> paul, thanks for being with us. thank you. >>> still to come here, beijing issued its first ever red alert as air pollution hits hazardous levels in the chinese capital. we'll the latest in a live report. >>> heavy rain slams portland, oregon. the worse may still to come. dae me pain here. in my lower back but now, i step on this machine and get my number which matches my dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic inserts. now i get immediate relief from my foot pain. my lower back pain. find a machine at drscholls.com while you're watching this, i

is not only against american values but operationally ignorant because it plays into the isis or isil narrative and undermines u.s. counterterrorism efforts. that is a direct reflection, scott, and people here at the white house openly concede this, to the kind of rhetoric the president has heard from some republican candidates most nota e frontrunner donald trump. >> pelley: major garrett reporting from the white house, as always, major, thank you very much. the president also asked on congress to take a number of actions. one, to close a loophole that actually allows anyone on the terrorist watch list, the no-fly list, allows them to buy a weapon in the united states. he says congress should close that loophole. and he asked congress also to take a vote that essentially declares war on isis, to join him in a public statement against isis. the president also asked congress to make it harder to buy assault weapons as major garrett just mentioned. the president made a major appeal this evening to muslims to help in the fight against islamic extremism and also reminded americans that muslims are

i think the recent revelation, it plays into the narrative of isis. it think he belittles, demeans and ridicules people that disagree with him. and e i've never thought his solutions to the kind of problems are the kind of qualities we want in a president. >> tom ridge isn't the only one going after trump this morning. >> on the u.s.s. york town voters are looking for that commander in chief who will keep them safe. and donald trump played to their fears. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shut down of muslims entering the united states. >> explaining that customs agents would determine who could come in and who can't. >> they would say, are you muslim? >> and if they said yes, they would not be allowed in the country. >> that's correct. >> and muslim foreign leaders would be allowed in. while others including tourists would not. and today near universal condemnation from his opponents. >> it is not about the blow hards out there just saying stuff. that is not a plan. >> one notable exception, ted cruz. >> i commend donald trump fo

all muslims -- and by the way, he is a propaganda tool for isis -- that's the irony here, that he is agreeing and adding voice to the narrativeisis and al-qaeda that the west does not believe that muslims are a peaceful religion or folks. that, to me, is the problem, the fact that we're not having a strong condemnation, and the republican party will have a day of reckoning if it does not strongly condemn the words that donald trump is using and find a way to distance themselves from that. >> but, ajay, how much stronger can the condemnation be than what's happening right now? you have virtually every candidate who has come out against what trump said. the chairman of the party has come out against it. even those who aren't directly in the presidential sweepstakes have come out -- >> and what he says -- and what he -- and what -- >> i said not all. not all. >> go ahead, nelson. >> but what you say is that he should not have an opportunity and a right to be a candidate. everybody should have... >> i'm not suggesting that. >> ...an opportunity and a right to be a candidate -- >> but is there a line you cross when you say such in

isis. there was news today that the president in the last week told his top military officials at the pentagon that they need to do a better job of communicating the quote/unquote narrativeon isis. what more do we know about that? >> reporter: poppy, talking to senior administration officials for weeks, they said prifltly they would like to get their story out. they feel the story of the counter isil campaign has been drowned out and perhaps you know, it was -- it's justified, justifiably said because of terror attacks in paris and san berna bernardino, what you're seeing to this order to across the administration, they want to make sure that high level senior administration officials are not only touting the narrative and significant developments like in ramadi but talk more clearly about the strategy for going after isis and that may be something you see more of in the coming week after this operation apparently successful operation to retake ramadi. it is exactly what the president has in mind when it comes to defeating isis. the question whether or not and we've seen this before, iraqi security forces, now that they've cleared this town and cleared this city, can the

overall, i think progress is being made because, keep in mind, one of isis' biggest narratives is that they are expanding, that they are moving forward and making progress. and they're not. they've lost ramadi, they've lost a round in syria. the other huge issue this was the iraqi military that was successful in ramadi. prior to this, most of the success we've had against isis has been led by the kurds. so to have another group in effective fighting force is a huge positive. and all of 0 the individual targets, including the one you mentioned, that, too, helps roll back the sense that isis has any momentum. that is very, very important. >> what can you tell us about the role within isis, and how significant this is? >> you know, i think -- i don't know, he's certainly not at the top. we went through this with al qaeda, as joe said the most dangerous job in the world is number three at al qaeda. i don't think the individual tar targets are as important as progress made on the ground. the question, will they have people to replace these guys. they usually do. we have to roll them back on