as we saw with the double rapist isla bryson. so thatis double rapist isla bryson.nd that's something that we should having that we should be having a discussion now. discussion about. right now. >> they knew any >> nobody thought they knew any gay are you being gay people till. are you being served on the telly and then served was on the telly and then all of a sudden, you know, they suddenly realised, well, we suddenly realised, oh, well, we do people. do know gay people. >> know, i suppose, what >> they know, i suppose, what i'm saying, andrew, is i don't think don't think the think i don't think the feminists with think i don't think the femirpeople. with think i don't think the femirpeople. i've with think i don't think the femirpeople. i've never with think i don't think the femirpeople. i've never metth think i don't think the femirpeople. i've never met a trans people. i've never met a feminist who has an issue with trans about their trans people going about their lives in existing and having equal the equal rights. their worry is the nofion equal rights. the

as we saw with the double rapist isla bryson. so thatis double rapist isla bryson.it? and that's something that we should having that we should be having a discussion now. discussion about. right now. >> they knew any >> nobody thought they knew any gay are you being gay people till. are you being served on the telly and then served was on the telly and then all of a sudden, you know, they suddenly realised, well, we suddenly realised, oh, well, we do people. do know gay people. >> know, i suppose, what >> they know, i suppose, what i'm saying, andrew, is i don't think don't think the think i don't think the feminists with think i don't think the femirpeople. with think i don't think the femirpeople. i've with think i don't think the femirpeople. i've never with think i don't think the femirpeople. i've never metth think i don't think the femirpeople. i've never met a trans people. i've never met a feminist who has an issue with trans about their trans people going about their lives in existing and having equal the equal rights. their worry is the nofion equal rights

isla bryson, an the biological male rapist into a women's jail?xtreme example, isla bryson, etcetera . bryson, etcetera. >> or karen white in the past, i do think the prison situation is actually easily answerable and the government has actually moved in the sense moved towards that in the sense that no one with intact male and male anatomy will be going to a female prison anymore. and certainly no one with a history female prison anymore. and ce sex|ly no one with a history female prison anymore. and ce sex|ly nnviolenceh a history female prison anymore. and ce sex|ly nnviolence towards)ry of sex and violence towards women be put in that women should be put in that place to actually make women more you more vulnerable. but can you have that nuanced have that kind of that nuanced discussion you can stand discussion where you can stand up the rights women and up for the rights of women and girls, lisa nandy up for the rights of women and girls,she's lisa nandy up for the rights of women and girls,she's standing lisa nandy up for the rights of women

et isla bryson. et cetera. et cetera and self id.'t really have any other policy other than independence. and won't it's about and this won't work. it's about as saying finders as legitimate as saying finders keepers, weepers because keepers, losers weepers because this is not a referendum on independence . this is this is independence. this is this is people voting on how their councils might be managed or how they want the overall area they live in managed. it's not about whether they to be whether they want to be independent from of the independent from the rest of the uk. if even if it was uk. so even if even if it was 90% of the snp, which it will not be, it still wouldn't mean it's a yes for independence and just before we go on to the next doonl just before we go on to the next door, i just want to say there's little shout out that someone you actually have a lot in common with paul shepherd common with paul tommy shepherd snp runs stand and snp member he runs a stand and he no longer books me either . he no longer books me ei

but figures obtained with a freedom of information act showed that isla bryson is just the tip of theas 260 females have been charged with rape. now i repeat the crime of rape can only be perpetrated by a biological man . and if the 209 biological man. and if the 209 have been recorded as unknown sex, which includes those who define themselves as non—binary, what a load of tosh and research by keep prisons single sex that's cpzs show that in 2022. so last year of the 26 forces 22 recorded sex based on person's gender identity with 20 doing this on the basis of how the person chose to identify dr. kate coleman from the organisation said if these are men being recorded as women, then these victims have had the most gut wrenching, visceral and accurate experience of the person's sex registered at birth . to have that dressed up as actually no, that is a woman is actually no, that is a woman is a complete betrayal. suella braverman called for common sense policing and she said not only is this wrong because a woman cannot legally be a rapist, but also it's grossly insensitive and it's ins

you mentioned, for example, prisons, the isla bryson case, the male double rapist who was allowed initially jail, and that almost brought down the entire party and caused a huge uproar. do you think that people are now seeing these things, if you like , with the things, if you like, with the full glare of publicity and that's what's actually making them this is just a bit them think this is just a bit unfair and it's not fair towards women in particular? >> well, we have these laws , the >> well, we have these laws, the 2004 recognition act, the 2004 gender recognition act, the 2010 equality act, and for many years we were living quite comfortably for the smaller number of people who were trans kind of accommodating them in society. the equality act is literally about reasonable adjustment, making accommodations and particularly in the public sector kind of the pubuc in the public sector kind of the public sector duty to foster good relations between the various protected characteristics . and as we now characteristics. and as we now understand through some cases in court, that gender criti

about do to recognise do you have to recognise somebody who calls themselves isla is dressed in isla brysonn who has been convicted of two rapes and wants to be put in a women's prison. do you you know, is it a hate crime to call that person lisa man very recently lisa nandy a man very recently that would still support that she would still support putting woman in a putting a trans woman in a female prison? >> now , we saw the uproar of all >> now, we saw the uproar of all that we saw. that was the beginning of the end for nicola sturgeon, that her insistence of doing it really was. and yet lisa still says she would lisa nandy still says she would do that. j.k. rowling has do that. and j.k. rowling has taken her on. >> what and this is the >> that's what and this is the thing, actually, this actually although keir starmer has formally position in formally moved his position in the more people are the labour party more people are like lisa nandy than not. and so people will have to weigh that up when they're coming to decide who they vote for. and also, i would say on the spy point, actually

and of course we saw the case in scotland of isla bryson, the male rapist, biological man who becamey prevalent as a way of having a softer time in jail, but also opening up the ability for predatory biological men to go into women's safe spaces . and go into women's safe spaces. and a lot of people campaigning. this is a law that should be changed and i think suella braverman is trying to do that. >> and she has told police forces that this needs to stop, that they cannot not just take this sort of selfies identification, but the slightly a missed point of all of this is also it makes the crime statistics next to useless because if you're looking at it as to what crimes are being committed against who and where do you need to put your resources, then the figures are going to be skewed. the data is then useless and then going to be useless and justice served. justice hasn't been served. absolutely. justice hasn't been served. those served. and for all of those victims of rape, i think this is a real kick in the teeth to them that crimes are not taken that their crimes are not taken s