or in your view of islam? >> i think we have everything we need in those rule. >> reporter: where in the koran does it justify the killing of inskens. >> i'd like to get on to another question, because i've answered that question already. mohammed quotes the koran -- he has purchased from the believers, the life, they will kill others and be killed. >> muslims all over the world i strongly advice you to sacrifice this land for the hereafter. >> reporter: there are imam's today who say the suicide bombers have really done a lot of damage to the reputation of islam. they're saying that the kinds of things that you are saying is in fact damaging the religion so much. >> yeah, this is -- you're obviously making a statement there, there's no real question there. people don't refer to you for islam. they refer to chic osama bin ladin, i happen to be in a political war. my brothers in al qaeda are involved in the military campaign. >> reporter: you call them your brothers, do you mean that? >> of course. >> reporter:

>> islamic law? >> no. no. i'm muslim but for someone to tell me that is the country for the whole land, that is wrong. this is a free land. everyone is sfwit ld to what they want to do. it is not taliban here. >> it is not the taliban. >> it is not the taliban, you know what i mean. >> you wouldn't know it at this traditional muslim wedding the choudry has come to officiate. >> in the west they want to say equality between men and women. allah has given the man authority over the woman. >> we never saw the bride or the female wedding guests. they were segregated in different halls but we were invited to witness the nika, the dowry agreement between the groom and his father-in-law. >> pleas accept to to be conducted in akor daps with the sharia. >> and even at this wedding choudry holy war. >> bless them with pious children -- [ speaking a foreign language ] >> but how about those who carried out the london subway attacks on july 7th, 2005? choudray gives an ominous answer. >> i'm not planning to blow myself up

i just want you, and one of the threats that you said, you must preexpect islam, -- respect islam, well, those people are making it harder for muslims like me, because people will never respect. if you say, you're forced to respect me, that does not ever lead to respect. that may lead to not speaking about certain things, or being careful, but that does not ever lead to respect, and unfortunately, many of the leaders -- many of the men and women in leadership positions are so focused on keeping the image of islam, and forcing other people, than really addressing, why do people perceive muslims as angry and hateful and radical people. one of the recent experiences i've had is that just about -- 10 days ago or so, i was in italy, and under the -- they are now the g8 -- have the g8 leadership, and i was participating at a conference on violence against women, international conference, and it focused mostly on africa and middle east issues, and many of the issues related unfortunately to what people do again in the name of islam. and many of the women who were muslim were saying, you know,

islamic banking or islamic finance. some of fundamentalist thinkers talked about it. they could never make it work. you can never make it work. they couldn't make it work until european american banks decided to make it work. citibank. biddle deutsche bank decided to get into the islamic finance business. they have made islamic finance into a global area of business. about $5 trillion. it is not that big in terms of global economy but it has grown at 30% of year in the past decade. even last year when you had the global economic turndown it grew by 50%. it grew by more than you think. there is quite a common issue, islamic bonds. bonds that are interest free. you even have it in a variety of western society is. ford motor co. financed the acquisition of the issuance of an islamic bond. or the united states's second largest coffee shop owned by islamic mutual-funds. why would these banks roll up their sleeves and decide to produce islamic products? finance years. the will bankers look for ways to make money, look for products to make money. it could be credit swaps or

should embrace islam. that's not something that we hear from muslims pebble and not something we've discussed here this morning. now, the issue with the term islamic terrorism is it limb plis certainly things. first, that the terrorists themselves are islamic, which is exactly what we -- which is exactly what they want us to say about them. they want to claim a moral validity. they want to claim that they are acting in accordance with islam. the problem is when we give them that kind of credit, we actually bolster their point while alienating the vast majority of muslims who disagree with them, that we really meet as allies mot as enemies. so it actually fuels the enemies that we're trying to destroy by strengthening their propaganda. host: one more call. east brookfield, massachusetts. caller: good morning. thank you. i would like to know how you would define the infi dell in the muslim religion and how the role of the infiddle in the religion will change as the muslim religion grows. guest: well, the ter

i don't think the islamic republican is doing anywhere in 2010. think that it is - it is unfortunate. president barack obama who is pursued what i consider half hearted. not to say half baked efforts at diplomatic outreach is given the region a bad name. the obama administration has not pursued engagement aimed a the kind of realignment of relationships between the united states and islamic republic as what president nixon did. obama has made some nice statements and he's offered some interesting or favorable rhetoric, rhetorical formulations in addressing iranian leaders but put no proposals on the table that would address key iranian strategic needs and he's not laid forward a road map for realigning relationships for the two countries. until we do that we in the united states have not been serious about engaging iran. it's unfortunate the half hearted a tempts the obama administration made in this last year are taken as litmus test that engagement with iran won't work. i think strategic engagement with iran is absolutely needed and for us to ad

it should be aware on islamics and extremist. i see yesterday the guy that drew the mohammed bomb was attacked in his barn in copenhagen with an axe and a knife. it's - you know i mean if you can't even draw a cartoon about mo' ham ed who's not god, it's ridiculous. have you ever showed the cartoon on c-span? you can't let these people control us. i think you should show it. host: we did years ago. it's been three or four years though. caller: i don't know. salmon rush ty probably still has a hide out. these people - the so-called muslims that aren't extremists. can't speak out against them because that's against the koran. they'll kill you. see what it says. i don't see a lot of people speaking out against the religion because they can't do it. it's scary. host: thanks for the call. front page story. obama ties al qaeda to the plane scare. the president back at the white house tomorrow. ben from north carolina. good morning. is yemen the new front on terrorism? caller: i think since the place is no bigger than it is, the town of

>> this is not islam that i understand, the islam that i know. >> reporter: members of this mosque joined other muslim groups tuesday in condemning the terror plot. >> no faith or political ideology could ever justify the injuring or murdering of innocent civilians. >> reporter: but this lawyer and activityist hopes for more than words. he lives in dearborn. he says american muslims were just recovering from negative perceptio perceptions. >> now we get this other terrorist that attempts to blow an airliner right over our heads, right over the heads of the largest muslim population outside the middle east, right over our heads. and we're going to sit and watch? we said no. >> reporter: he is taking his anger to the streets and organizing online. >> our goal right now between now and then is to literally spread the word out. >> reporter: the message? >> if they've got something against americans, we're americans. if they have something against america, we're muslims, we're not afraid of death like you're not. we're standing on the right side, the side of peace and you're not. >> reporter:

we also should expect more from the islamic world, from the established states in the islamic world. we have to work harder to get at these people who have a crazed idea about how the world should exist. >> we do have an opportunity now, incredible historic moment in time, this islamic extremism really got started in 1979, the iranian revolution which is a world historical event. obviously iran is not closely connected but it's part of the same movement of the islamic extremism. we're 18 moment where that regime which i the birthplace of this is tottering. the day netter was shot the day it lost its legitimacy. a lot of us thought the people were going to be pushed back in the homes by the terror crackdown. this week they are out again. that shows that regime is incredibly fragile and dying, so the question becomes what do we do? how do we push back against them? do we try to restrict gasoline am ports into iran. >> your paper is reporti a new set of sanctions are contemplated at a time when the government appears to be distracted in iran. >> right. the question should be, and it's a

and using islamic finance vehicles. and indeed this is a trend that i think we have been participating in both in islamic finance as well as the socalled new silk road, as well as the spice route the whole indian ocean strategy and this is all part of our natural footprint if you like. >>sager: its interesting, decoupling 1.0 was quickly discredited but i think as this crisis has shown, that now you know, seeing the economic gravity shift to the east asian pacific, is decoupling 2.0, is thata reality? is that a real prospect now? >>mokhtar: i thk quite clearly, the growth epicentre is, has been accelerated by the crisis to move eastwards, and certnly that is happening. the coupled nature of globalization and financial globalization meant that clearly there was a contagious effect that the force of which was something we had seldom,hardly ever saw before. really at that point some of us remarked that the real decoupling was between the financial economy and the real economy and i think if that gap becomes closer which is

over islam from within. mainstream, you know, moderate islam. it's just a fabrication. democracy is nothing more than a ruse to take over islam. insurgency being staged by the west, so he expense hopes of his time trying to point out any times there's insurgencies, i guess you could say. the irony of this is he's embraced the same approach, and he spent a ho a lot of his writ, identifying religious concepts and trying to gut them of meaning, replace them with his own meaning and then remake islam from the inside out in his own image, arguably. so i think those are some important roles. another one is, you know, you could call him the global jihaddist movement, cheerleader in chief. he makes sure he hits every major field of jihad, somali, cheat knee i can't, nigeria. he goes anywhere where he feels that al qaeda is under attack or he wants to point more attention to. he'll write a thoughtful treatise about it. and i think he serves as al qaeda's investigative reporter. he's always the first on the scene when

al-shabab trains it's fighters to rage war against the enemies of islam. >> there are numerous camps on the ground. the camps are being used to train fighters to fight in somalia. is it possible they could be used for something else in the future? absolutely. >> it appears the future is now. a newly released canadian intelligence document reports al-shabab has been arming and training pirates in exchange for a share of their spoil. >> the big danger is they can very easily be utilized by foreign interests that are not pirates. >> this is like other organized crime. whether people who have drugs smuggling empires or human smuggling empires, trafficking, there's evil here, and it needs to stop. >> greg palkot tracks down a former pirate in little mogadishu as he finds who is getting paid and where the money is funding and the islamist group al-shabab. that's next when we return. . >> welcome back. we now take a look at who the somali pirates are. greg pal follows the pirate money trail into nairobi's little mogadishu. >> ready, fire! >> this was hollywood's version of pirates. big ship

not just the nation of islam, but the black church as well. so when we think about malcolm x, he become bees a very singularly important figure but not just as some kind of prophet of rage or some kind of icon, he's actually an important grassroots local organizer, and not just in new york, but in detroit and in chicago and in other places as well. >> host: and long after his death he had become enough of an american figure to get a stamp, postage stamp. [laughter] >> guest: certainly. there's certainly a rehabilitation of malcolm x that has occurred over the last let's say 20 years. we start with spike lee's film, malcolm x, in 1992. the reissue of the autobiography and also the stamp. but even barack obama in barack obama's autobiography dreams from my father, he expresses admiration for malcolm x. he says he admired malcolm's self-determination and ability to recreate himself. so when we think about malcolm x, malcolm x is really the quintessential self-made african-american man of the post-war period. >> host: and embraced regardless of wh

the time king is going to chicago and he's in chicago to try to transform the slums he talks about islam clarence campaign and desegregate housing in chicago. he's talking about poverty. he's talking about economic marginalization of poor people, laborers. king makes a very famous speech where he talks about labour has dignity which is one of his last speech in 1968. king's poor people campaign is something that we shunt aside as well. we really keep dr. king frozen on august 28th 1963 with the i have a dream speech in his washington, d.c. and we don't think about the king who was much more combative even though he was non-violent because he believed he could use of violence as a moral and political force, really a battering ram to transfer of democracy. so it wasn't that king wasn't combative, he was very combative. the difference between king and african-american critics was heated and believe that violence was acceptable politically or morally. >> host: it also was true everybody praises him now back in the time even among african-americans a lot of people didn't want him coming in to

and i fee unfortunately, that the level of hostility against islam and muslims is at an all- time high, and i'm very concerned. >> abernethy: many americans think that muslim's leaders in this country and in the middle east should be doing a lot more to combat and condemn the interpretation of islam that is so popular among many young radical extremists. do you agree with that? > well, i think that we as muslims have done a lot in terms of the message against extremism. our problem is that we have not been able to develop an effective way to get the message out. we don't have the capacity in terms of public relations, if you will, in terms of making our message of moderation more newsworthy than the sensationalist message of extremism. >> abernethy: do you think there is a role for the unites states government in combating the ideology of radical islam? >> the unites states government will not be able to defeat ideology of radicalism. it needs the muslim american community in partnership. for those people unfortunately who are being recruited by extremists, they don't regard the united

islamic an attempted to ask ought to tell one of the liberty supreme court jokes. [laughter] >> the best one is [inaudible] >> take that he is >> -- the fine baptist lawyer who's a friend of pbgc said he just cut to the chase if the material is hanging on the wall and easily removed, to get down to read if it's made of concrete in the ground it's too much trouble. but that is not tall lie in the courtroom and there is much more helpful guidance if you read those couple pages. >> i just wanted to use will holley said as an opportunity to remind us that the law is one

the northern part of nigeria is islamic.the southern part is more christian and read along the fault line there's been a lot of violence and this is where this individual apparently came from. so, you know, there is going to be a lot of looking at the specific incident but what we need to do is recognize and continue to take a look at the bigger threat. it's almost a global threat. you've got the hot spots but then you've got the activity that's taking place in europe and obviously in the united

>> the result was that the ottoman turks, the islamic forces were stopped at the end of and had theynot been stopped what sulamon the magnificent want to do was go alta way to the rhine river so heady prevailed that the anna, europe would have been islamic to the rhine river in 1527 and so it is a major turning point in history. >> when you are working on this ancient history, what are your sources? >> i have an office at the library of congress and the library of congress is the best library in the world by far, so there are always i found with this book and others in medieval history that there are contemporary news chronicles and those are the most immediate sources, those are the ones that are then there is that people who were there, so that is what we always look for. >> talked about the correlation between 9/11 in this period in history. when you are doing this history area quonset lee remind them that? >> i've never done any history that wasn't in some way relevant to the current day. that is the kind of litmus test for me and it just seemed to me after 9/11 what was really i

radical islamic terrorists have been targeting the u.s. for the last 19 years. >> i guess that does raise another question. we just heard i think late yesterday that britain wanted to call this international conference about combatting radical islam in yemen. and i guess a logical question a lot of people are asking is, why this new focus now? >> listen, this is long overdo. and the reality is if you look -- if you examine a problem and then look too closely, not too closely but rather you try to fix the problem by looking at a problem without looking at the larger problem here, then you're not going to fix the problem. you're only going to postpone a decision -- a problematic decision to the next time this hams when a would-be bomber boards, let's say, in somalia or something. so i think here is where the president needs to be saying, look -- and acknowledging there's a radical islamic terrorist threat that in profiling -- this is something that's not done today and i have been saying this all week, we need to do smart screening where you

that is the essence of islam. unfor the anyly, lack of understanding of islam also by many muslims.t is a lack of understanding. it is a lack of sow fiss toe indication and yes, leadership has to be involved. the united states has a great model in the leadership we have in the mosque and the communication among so many groups. i believe american muslims can be and serve as a great model to the muslim world in many areas. whenever we have political stability, you see a coexist answer. whenever you have disturbances and political violence, you see extreme ix. unfortunately, all what we seed on television is negative in news we hardly see news coverage and the 1.5 billion muslims who lead a life of dignity and hard work. getting their kids a good education and getting jobs and working hard. all of these values that we live as muslims around the world does not get communicated. they are seen to define the image of muslims in the u.s. media. host: our next call is bob on the republican line from cincinnati. caller: good morning. go ahead. i don't have a question. i have a comment. i woul

the speeches he gave reaching out to the islamic world have made a huge difference, you know? a kind of reflexive anti-americanism you saw in europe, in the islamic world, in some parts of latin america, that's gone. clearly obama is someone who's widely respected all around the world as a great man. even though they're waiting for him to deliver some results. >> what is the world's reaction to obama's foreign policy so far? beyond the issue of the speeches. i'm looking at the specific issues of, you know, dealing with iran. dealing on the iraq issue. dealing with afghanistan in the way he is. is there some -- you travel in policy circles around the world, are people coming to any kind of conclusions tentatively? >> i think they believe he's trying to do the right things, and, i mean, i think even hillary clinton is doing an excellent job as secretary of state. reaching out to the right people, talking in the right tone. if you look at the u.s./china relationship, which, frankly, is the single most important relationship today in the world, i think he's done a very good job of

these are islamic jihadists bent on destroying us and bent on destroying the west.e destroying the whole -- any sense of moderation in the islamic community. we should address it this way. euphemisms don't work. that's what gets to us the problem i'm concerned about. i think if i was the pooits political advisor i'd be really concerned. we put this guy, the attorney general, who seems to be on his own track or the president doesn't have control of him, one of the two. to try him in civilian court. that was an effort of a person sent here to commit military act against the united states. the polls were overwhelming, rasmussen was 72% wanting him tried in military court can, on top of what happened in new york, with khalid sheikh mohammed in new york. i don't know. the mixed signals are here are bothering the american people. >> it's not exactly easing the terrorist threat. >> no. the problem what we're learning is that being nice to them is not working. >> neil: patrick, good to see you. pat caddell. revenge of the nerds washington style. the washington director on a

the speeches that he gave reaching out to the islamic world have made a huge difference.nd of reflectixive anti-americanism you saw in europe and the islamic world and some parts of latin america, that's gone. and clearly, obama is smun ones that widely respected all around the world. as a great man, even though they are waiting for him to deliver results. >> what is the world's reaction to obama's foreign policy so far? beyond the issue of the speeches and looking at the specific issues of, you know, dealing with iran, dealing on the iraq issue, dealing with sfgs, and the way he is, is there some -- you travel in circles around the world, are people coming to any kind of cop clugss tentatively? >> i think the -- they believe he's trying to do the right thing. and, mine, i can tell you, even hillary clinton is doing an excellent job as secretary of state. reaching out to the right people and talking in the right tone. if you look at the u.s./china relationship, frankly, is the single most important relationship today in the world, i think stand a very good chance of keepi

leaves afghanistan, because what drives the islamic crazy is non-muslim occupation of a muslim soil. which of course, is what the u.s. has been doing in the exact opposite of what we should been doing after 9/11. finally, the al qaeda central leadership of course could move to yemen or somalia. so afghanistan is not any more import than any other countries as a potential shelter. that the administration just made the argument that winning in afghanistan where the nine 9/11 attacks emanate from will embolden the islamic militants and harmed u.s. prestige that i think these are similar to some of the argument that were made during the vietnam war, if vietnam went to the communists, you know, all these bad things would happen which never really happened. now i think we can continue to use law enforcement and intelligence airstrikes, special forces, to contain al qaeda and any of those potential sanctuaries, including afghanistan and pakistan if we have to. and i think containing the taliban instead of just contain al qaeda makes the problem worse because you have the foreign occupation.

islamic council and islamic revolutionary council also known as the emerald action committee.august 7, 1998, car bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the u.s. embassy in nairobi and killed 12 u.s. citizens and injured 5,000. they claimed responsibility part of al qaeda. 2000, october 12, while they cam pained for president in 2000 was going on, a suicide squad rammed the war ship uss cole with an explosive laden both killing 13 sailors and injuring 33. that was believed to have been caused by osama bin laden's al qaeda organization. and we still didn't recognize there was a war going on, not until september 11, 2001 when people know what happened. finally we got the picture. finally we realized this war has been going on for -- since 1979 and it's time we fought in this war and not let it be a one-sided war. there is no answering these people who want to destroy our way of life with reaching out in peace. i saw a sign not long ago that said -- some protest tore said, no war ever brought about peace. i was amazed. obviously, this person doesn't know anything about history. pea

malcolm and the nation of islam refused handouts from the white man. so conservatives would definitely find that something that was a great attribute. >> host: another important figure in your book, and he devoted considerable space in chapters is stokely carmichael. >> guest: stokely carmichael, i believe, is one of the most important african-american political activists of the postwar period and the civil rights and black power period. he is going to be a key civil-rights activist who becomes a black power icon. and what i mean by that is coakley is really one of the only black power figures who had also been a civil rights organizer in the n the deep sou. he is from the caribbean. he is born in trinidad. emigres he immigrates to the united states two weeks before his 11th birthday in 1952. he lives in the bronx. he is one of the only african-american students who tests in to the high school in 1956. that is one of the most prestigious high schools in your city. even as the high schools in he is an activist. by 1963 enrolls in howard university . and

that is not simply islamic radicals but a host of others. is there a strategy and the department defense to identify these potential categories into an essentially work explicitly against them or to at least be aware of them? >> first point, the people in the public domain say we did not use the magic term, radical islamists, and so we didn't do it on@@@@ki@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ the group that focuses on this full time, across this-- i have this whole series of kinds of behaviors that we are talking about, criminal, drug, domestic abuse, gang activity come supremist ideology, sex crimes, sabotaged, arson, domestic violence. peart talking about all of these. and so, i chose that is the response to your question. >> mr. secretary to melbany comments? >> there is an annex to our report that discusses the sources of violence in some detail. it is an example of the pieces that our research is consulted and i think it is very informative. i agree with the admiral's response. while sojourner executive summary of the five or six key things that we reco

that is not simply islamic radicals but a host of others. is there a strategy and the department defense to identify these potential categories into an essentially work explicitly against them or to at least be aware of them? >> first point, the people in the public domain say we did not use the magic term, radical islamists, and so we didn't do it on purpose. it wasn't because we were trying to be politically correct. it was because our task was to deal with violence and this was one of them but i don't know how people could read their comments about self-radicalization and not understand that this kind of radical islamic behavior is part of that group. we said specifically those of the indicators are inadequate. now, having said that, on friday, the army published the list of ten coming in this is something out there that is better than nothing. and in the close session i would like to get into this in some detail but to say we believe that all of the indicators related to violence are not static indicators, and so one of our proposals is,

westergaard came out of hiding last year in spite of the million-dollar price islamic militants put on his head. he's been under close police protection ever since. that wasn't enough. a spokesman for the danish intelligence service said the attack was part of a terror-related network linked to the somali militant group al-shabaab. the somali militant organization flexing its muscle yesterday with this rally in mogadishu has moved steadily closer to al qaeda. five years after they were first published, the danish attack shows the original cartoons still have the power to incite violence. sheila macvicar, cbs news, london. >> glor: two students from the same school, both killed, both in frightening ways only months party. for the city of chicago tonight, more evidence of violence on the streets there, especially among teenagers, is not over. randall pinkston has details. >> reporter: the grainy image from a convenience store surveillance cam rafs another sad reminder of the violence that has claimed dozens of students in each of the past three years. wednesday night police say a gunman

any time you embrace a concept that's not islamic, you are introducing trojan horses into islam thatwill allow the west, the rand corporation specifically, he says, to come in and take over islam from within. it's just a fabrication. democracy is nothing rather than a rouge to take over islam. so he spends most of his time to point out any time there's semantic insurgency. the irony is he's embraced the same approach. he's spent a lot of his writings identifying religious concepts and trying to gut them of meaning, trying to replace them, and remake from the inside out and his own image. another one is global jihaddist movement leader. he makes sure he hits every major field of jihad, somalia, algeria, he goes through anywhere he wants to point attention to. i think he serves as the al qaeda investigative reporter. he's always on the first on the scene for intellectual ideas. how much time? a few more minutes, okay. you know, just let me show you a little bit more imagery from the earlier videos. here's the night video. he has to get the operational credentials checked. it was silly.

it's against islam, they say, those thoughts go against islam. the leader is al zadani, a cleric with a flaming beard. to the u.s., he's a terrorist accused in 2004 of supplying weapons to al qaeda. in yemen, he is a free and very influential man. he has denied our request for an interview, but has aallowed us to come here and basically get a sense of what the university was like. he's built it from the ground up from the 90s. every year, thousands of students from africa, yemen, and around the world are sheltered. made a public plea that millions of young men should be recruited to fight jihad against israel. was abdulmutallab here? the answer is, we don't think so, but more telling still -- did they come here to investigate after the attack? >> translator: to my knowledge, no security and no investigation teams came here. nobody thought that abdulmutallab was here. >> reporter: yemeni authorities have taken an approach. it won't be easy for investigators to find out if abdulmutallab was here during those mysterious two months. and that's really

he does fundamentally want to reach out to the larger muslim community to the islamic world. in a way that george w. bush did not. so he does not want our response to this terror incident, this threat, and others, to discount the larger foreign policy appeal, the engagement that he is trying to pursue. at the same time, he needs to project domestically and internationally the strength, the firmness about our defenses. the problem that joe and david have outlined here is that al qaeda is outsmarting us. that's the real terror -- chris: we had we have the biggest defense arsenal. you cover at the pentagon. what do they see coming at unanimous >> they see an al qaeda that's developed -- that's decentralized. it's no longer only in pakistan. the leadership is in pakistan, they believe. but it's become a franchise. and the estimate from 200 to -- well, from several hundred to several thousand members of al qaeda. but right now, what they see is that the ideology is spreading. you don't have to be trained in pakistan anymore. you can be a smaller group that latches on to the ideolo

from the harlem renaissance and the postwar context grows out of malcolm x in the nation of islam but also secular radicals light james and grace lee and james baldwin so when we think of black power it has a very ecumenical and very secular side to it and it is the side that people don't discuss. one of the most interesting things is the way intellectual social component. on one score black power activist in high school and colleges but then try to transform consciousness through poetry and prose but then also push for anti-poverty so would rethink of the popular conception we don't think of black women being at the forefront but they really were some of the key activists. not just the iconic figures like davis and cleaver but poor black women in places like deer of north carolina, baltimore maryland and philadelphia. survey black women participated in that movement in organizations like snic and black panther but more black women and black people participated just in the al talk grass-roots organizations on campus and off campus through the '60s and '70s. >> host: the people that we

that is not simply islamic radicals but a host of others. is there a strategy and the department defense to identify these potential categories into an essentially work explicitly against them or to at least be aware of them? >> first point, the people in the public domain say we did not use the magic term, radical islamists, and so we didn't do it on purpose. it wasn't because we were trying to be politically correct. it was because our task was to deal with violence and this was one of them but i don't know how people could read their comments about self-radicalization and not understand that this kind of radical islamic behavior is part of that group. we said specifically those of the indicators are inadequate. now, having said that, on friday, the army published the list of ten coming in this is something out there that is better than nothing. and in the close session i would like to get into this in some detail but to say we believe that all of the indicators related to violence are not static indicators, and so one of our proposals is,

so what led umar farouk abdulmutallab to radical islam? contact and reaction from nigeria coming uppen up on thex report." we're looking into security lapse at one of the busiest airports. this oversight coming days before the failed plot to take down delta flight 253. the tsa launching an internal investigation after a security check point at dallas/ft. worth international airport was left unattended for an hour-and-a-half. we understand employees from the airport department of public safety were actually the ones who find the unsecured area during routine patrol. now the tsa is responding to the incident. laura ingle joins us to explain. >> hi, julie. the idea that anyone or anything could have passed through the security screening area for the 90 minutes is unsettling to say the least. if there is any good news to report it's that no one was hurt here. as many travelers know, dfw airport is massive. it covers more than 29 square miles and has 164,000 passengers who come in and out of that airport on a daily basis. in a statement release

under islamic rule, you jews will be utterly secure because you will be protected by us in an islamic state. people of the book and you'll be protected because that's the islamic way so if you are worried about security you will be secure. he didn't hide anything. expecting us to slaughter him and yet when he said it, he gave the whole thing. i mean, the whole account. whether he represent the hamas or not, i doubt it. he's an element, an important element. the hamas is more complicated and just to lump together all those three factions of hamas and take the most representative, that's easy for propaganda purposes. for politics i think one should really be more nuanced. >> thank you. at the end you say on the whole part of the compromise for the sake of peace are good things. do you mean peace in short term or in the long term? taking to account the irish treaty last century why we achieved some sort of peace the rest of the century there was not whole peace. and in a -- and just a quick question of kosovo is being asked to compromise. can freedom be compromised on a return to oppress

iran is not an islamic country to begin with pared -- to begin with.hey believe the downfall of persian culture was really by the influence of islam. that is one of you. an iranian view, not my personal view. the good news is you have the broad based probe democracy movement. it includes dissident cleric. when i set up the foundation for democracy in iran in 19951 of the founding members was a dissident cleric. i believed to very profoundly that there are fractured lines within the traditional kurds. in iran that can be exploited. traditional clerics actually hit the regime and reject the receipt -- regime. they believe it is un-is lahman. one fractured line. people inside the revolutionary guard who don't like the with the regime is going. they are also willing at a certain point, i believe, to take action should the violence become such -- host: what kind of action? guest: at it obviously remains to be seen. but there has been a lot of talk in iran and the last couple of months, especially the revolutionary guards, closed- door meetings that i have h

the government of the united states is at war, and it is at war with militant islam. and militant islam is not a nation, it's not a state, it doesn't have a flag, it doesn't wear a uniform and it is spreading like wildfire across africa and across the middle east. and we must confront militant jihadist islam and prevent it from creating instability, creating failed states where people like al schabob in somalia or the terrorists groups in yemen can then provide choke points for the red sea or the gulf of adren or the straits of hormuth, and it's not an american war, it's a war problem and we're at war. >> ken robinson, thank you very much. >>> meantime back here at home in the united states, we're dealing with very, very cold weatherment our jacqui jeras is in the cnn severe center checking a nor'easter on the horizon tomorrow that will cause flooding and major travel delays. it is bitterly, bitterly cold. jacqui? >> this is definitely the coldest air of the season for a lot of folks, don. and it's so cold, it's really dangerous to be outside for some people. i want t

i think that there are some lessons for dealing with the islamic states.so, for example, the more interaction with iran the better. but, you know, a political judgment, how would you can get away with and what levels of society you can conduct discourse. the more the better because this weakens the whole of totalistic ideologies. >> i'd teach here. there are those who say that gorbachev knew how to start the process, but he did not know have to finish it. i take it that you are less critical. you seem to assume that he knew all along what he was doing, or most of the time. if my assumption is correct how do you explain that some of his closest advisers, especially jacobi, became as critical as he has? >> well, i don't think that gorbachev knew where he was going to end up. far from it. my point is rather that his view is involved tremendously, you know, from used. communist reformer. by 1988 somebody wanted it to fundamentally transform the system finishing up very close views of the west european social democrat. but at the same time a different position.

but they are different in their nature and the threat from islamic extremist. so i'd ask you to comment particularly on whether we should have specific training to recognize the signs of radicalization. mr. secretary and admiral clark. well, it's almost impossible to have a comment senator. i was a powerful statement along with senator lieberman's statement. and you put me ligaments under the gun by pointing out that's what we did in the army when that occurred here and i won't spend time on the distinctions. i mean, he is a white supremacist carries no overtones of constitutional protections or any sort where religion is always -- i know i'm going to be accused of being pc here. so what. it's always an area where we have to go carefully. for example, religious extremism, violent aggressive extremism is a source of threat to our soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen, coast guard personnel, whatever the religious source. and we need to be careful and we try to be careful when we did this to make sure do we turn the military's attention to the person i was quoted ea

folks are saying that terrorism is not islam outside the courtroom where an islamic nigerian is being charged with a terrorist act. >> that's good stuff to see. there was an article in a column this morning, new york times i believe it was, how muslims are going to have to solve this thing and listen how to do it. that's the kind of thing i think a lot of people have been waiting to hear for a long time. >> i think you're correct. and these folks were very vehement how much they detested the linkage of islam and terrorism and that they were challenging terrorists around the world to come and get them. if they wanted to attack somebody, they needed to attack them making themselves visible and potentially putting themselves in line of fire they're rhe -- theoretically. >> president obama ordered a substantial overhaul of airline security as well as an overhaul how the u.s. intelligence community shares information. the president said we had information that could have prevented the attack but nobody connected all the dots. the president's top adviser said they were shocked al-queda had

he says there is no history of radical islam there, or hardly any history of islam there at all.d for a long time in miami. miami is probably the reason why cuba is still on the list. the very big population of cuban exiles in miami are very politically active. they or listened to by a administrations. there have been incidents from the past were the castro government has supported things we would consider terrorism. that is one reason why they are on the list. until relations improve the dulce the u.s. removing cuba from the list. host: do you think that gives the administration the opportunity to say they're not just picking on countries in the middle east or where islam is the predominant religion? guest: they looked at the state department list including syria, iran, north korea, and cuba. they basically decided to use the list. if you remove one then political you get attacked. in miami you will get attacked as to what you would treat cuba separately. and that would be if you remove any other countries. there probably is some of that, but the simpler explanation is probably

we still have not gotten at the root of thi islamic rage and how we're going to deal with that.here is that phrase that i'm not keen about called soft power but we have to have some new way of dealing with these units that can move as they do from pakistan to afghanistan to the arabian peninsula and visit great, great harm or the possibility of great harm on western nations. i think doris is right, i do think we need more help from our alli i

was not revoked, even though his father had warned our embassy in nigeria about his son's ties to islamicxtremists. it failed when the intelligence community was unable to connect the dots that would have placed abdul mutallab on the terrorist watch list. it failed when this terrorist stepped onto the plane in amsterdam with the same explosives used by the shoe bomber, richard reid, or than eight years ago. but today i want to discuss another failure, a failure that occurred after abdul mutallab had already been detained by authorities in the troy, an error that undoubtedly prevented the collection of valuable intelligence about future terrorist threats to our country. this failure occurred when the obama justice department unilaterally decided to treat this foreign terrorist as an ordinary criminal. abdul mutallab was questioned for less than one hour before the justice department advised him that he could remain silent and offered him an attorney at our expense. once of for the protection our constitution guarantees american citizens, this foreign terrorist lawyered up and stopped talki

it was a complete of the proper faith of islam, but it was real and active and they demonstrated theirry large numbers of us that they possibly could you whatever strength you set out, not for tactical reasons, but deeps, strategic reasons is why did we need to do to make a successful assault on this ideology that was a dangerous? and therefore, the middle east peace process for me was not a kind of tactical thing, it was actually fundamental, still is in my view, to dealing with this issue. >> i think there rodrick wants to comments. >> eisai moment ago you had agreed with president bush, not only on the ends but also on the mean there is that the americans actually have a different view of the means and they were already planning military action and they had an explicit policy of seeking regime change. i mean, did you a crawford actually have a complete identity view with president bush on how to deal with saddam? >> well, we of course were pushing the u.n. route. so the american view is regime change, as i say, because they didn't believe saddam would never, in good faith, give up h