islam about they are by some media. and politicians they tell people that is islam but it has nothing to do with islam islam is a peaceful religion well mr i think we probably disagree on the definition of extremism here because having every poured it from the syrian frontlines i see anyone who went to syria to join isis as an extremist but you back in two thousand and fourteen sad that we should not label guys who have been to syria as dangerous you said that you know a number of people who have returned they may be disillusioned but they are not dangerous and obviously do you know if they're dangerous or extremist or not well again. it's just one of the forms of extremism that we should not promote of course in my opinion again another scholar but i guess it's nothing to do with islam. and this is already created by other organizations bob you know we don't have to talk. of course some of them can be dangerous and if they come back to the no less and to other western european countries they should be monitored and if they have. committed crimes against humanity or worse or crimes they have to go to a church and the you

islam and do you think it should be protected. diversity of islam in my opinion and again i'm not a scholar on the course about islam there is only one this law and the only islam that is the islam of the to be is a tolerant and open mind is religion that has respect for other religions and other people and for no muslims and islam stands not for violence again the small group of people that are presented themselves as muslims you can doubt if they are most interest not up to me to judge about that of course but. they are we know for we have some we have done some research that some of these people actually are froma political parties and organizations that are actually fighting islam so if they are really muslims and if they are fighting for a most. perspective that is something you can question them on well let me pose a question that you may not like but i still want to ask you because the mosque in the hague where or where you converted the mosque has been mentioned by the dutch and in television service as a salafi leaning community i'm sure you know it has a track record of. vitriolic speech there were a preachers like for e

and so the achievement of the islamic republic was to place legitimacy hment of upon islam and having the republic nature. so today all the officials of the islamic republic, including the leader of the islamic revolution and the president and e m.p.'s, the members of the assembly of experts and members of councils, they are all chosen through people's votes and through the ballot boxes. in fact, they shoulder their responsibility this way. -- hould all be carbous cautious. that's been due to the republic nature of the establishment and islam. a o be islamic and to have republic system, that's particular and people's faith and people's trust and people's lture of martyrdom and self-sacrifice, these have been major achievement of the revolution and the power that we have and the enemy does not have god to rely upon god and we know that even if we become victorious and killed, we are still victorious. this is our belief. and such a pleff has protected us during the years of the imposed war. and today, you see millions of the go on pilgrimage to holy shrine and millions of eople go barefoot to pay whomage. and the 15th of the month of ramadan and al

the the radicalization we haven't got to grips with the islamist narrative and i say islam islam as opposed to islam because there is a difference was a political ideology or there's a religion of faith that i and the other two and the problem members. practice as well what is more important is have we got robust strategies to actually prevent people from being radicalized in the first place and radicalize moving forward we have to develop close yes we do but the numbers are getting smaller and some of the numbers of people that we have to be radicalized over the last sort of eight to ten months but more than that we have to build resilience within our communities and this is a problem for muslims and i almost seems that's what we have managed to get right harasser rafique thank you very much indeed hanif qadir thank you very much indeed and ivan al-timimi in prague thank you very much indeed really interesting conversation and as ever thank you for watching the program you can see it again any time you live again to the website al-jazeera dot com should you want more discussion there's always a fac

islam, destroyed sudan, and it is going to destroy africa, because political islam, they do not recognise the diversity of africa. really? because look at kenya. it has problems with the islamist al—shabaabjihadists. when vice president osman mohammed yousif visited kenya, president uhuru kenyatta said on 6 february, i am happy to know that sudan is handling matters well, and that situation in the country is under control. he praised sudan as a pillar of stability in the region. well, the status quo will not bring stability. it is not going to bring peace or democracy. sudan is highly involved in central africa, in south sudan, in libya. it is a source of instability in these countries. the political islamagain, bashir has ruled sudan for 30 years. this fact has to be considered. ok, so he is wanted in the international criminal court over his dealings, his attacks in darfur, allegedly. and there are those now in sudan, like the chairman of your group, who say the icc should freeze the case against bashir as a kind of exit deal for him. we have also had a very prominent sudanese businessman, ahmed abdelatif, saying the same thing — to lift the charges if it means that omar al—bashir goes from power. is that something you would support? well, before we go into all this, did bashir ever express that he wants to step down? did bashir ever say? and what he is doing, he is killing more sudanese... but would you support the icc freezing or lifting its case against omar al—bashir as part of an exit deal? your chairman says yes. first of all, bashir is not ready to leave power, so i am not going into hypothetical issues. and to give bashir a deal when he is not ready even to say, after 30 years

and so the achievement of the islamic republic was to place the establishment of legitimacy upon islam and having republic nature, so today all the officials of the islamic republic, including the leader of the islamic revolution and the president and the mp, the members of the assembly of experts and the members of councils, they are all chosen through people's votes and through the ballot boxes. in fact, they shouldered the responsibility through this way. we should all be cautious if we have managed to be victorious in the past 40 years, that's due to the republic system and islam. to be islamic and have a republic system, that's protected us. people's faith, people's trust, people's dedication and self-sacrifice, these have been major achievements of the revolution and our years of the sacred defense. the power that we have and the enemy does not have is faith in god to rely upon god and we know that even if we become victorious, even if we are killed in the battlefront, we are still victorious. this is our belief, and such a bleach has protected -- and such a belief has protected during the years of war. and today you see millions of people go on pi

islam. islam hates us. islam is bad.t want to hear about white terror even though it's the biggest problem we deal with from a terrorism perspective but he's not running that game anymore. why is he so shy about going at this problem? >> i think we have to segment different manifestations of his allegedly being shy. for example, you'll recall during the campaign in 2016, i think it was nbc news that was trying to get him to talk about david duke and he pretended like he didn't know david duke and people criticized him for that. i thought it was a brilliant move. he didn't want to give more oxygen to david duke. >> it's like if you said something dumb tonight, which you won't, he'd say, i don't know him. how do you say his name? what is it? you can't go to it every time. every time somebody says something that's bad for you, you can't pretend you don't know what it is and who they are? >> in certain circumstances he does not want to give more oxygen in the room to a group of folk that are irrelevant. you know history and

and so the achievement of the islamic republic was to place the establishment of legitimacy upon islam and having the republic nature. so today all the officials of the islamic republic, including the leader of the islamic revolution and the president and the m.p.'s, the members of the assembly of experts and members of councils, they are all chosen through people's votes and through the ballot boxes. in fact, they shoulder their responsibility this way. we should all be cautious. that's been due to the republic nature of the establishment and islam. so to be islamic and to have a republic system, that's particular and people's faith and people's trust and people's culture of martyrdom and self-sacrifice, these have been major achievements of the revolution and the power that we have and the enemy does not have is facing god. to rely upon god and we know that even if we become victorious and killed, we are still victorious. this is our belief. and such a pleff has protected -- such a belief has protected us during the years of the imposed war. and today, you see millions of people go on pilgrimage to the holy shrine and millions of people go barefoot to pay

islam in the town of duma. the white helmets working with islam missed released with you and the alleged chemical attack hospitals people in panic reaction was immediate and violent trump launched. more than one hundred cruise missiles that syria france and britain chipped in the un security council in uproar few took anything to think for years duma had been held by the army of islam hardcore islam ists the same guys that caged woman and elders and roofs to protect themselves against airstrikes i can tell you that jaish islamic rule dumont with an iron fist very co-opted activists doctors and humanitarians with fear and intimidation you may also remember in the lead up to this incident russia warned this could happen that rebels might stage a chemical attack to invite foreign intervention the rail and evacuation deal we have undeniable evidence that this was yet another staged attack that involved intelligence agencies of one of the countries that is rushing to spearhead a recent campaign but no one in the west listened or pretended not to hear of the media not the politicians here by the way is how b.b.c. reported on the incident back then disturbing reports of a chemical weapons attack chemical attack carried out by the assad regime the magic's are doing more it can but they're overwhelmed dozens of people have been killed due to poison gas a chemical attack did

hardcore islam it's the same guys that caged woman and elders and roofs to protect themselves against airstrikes i can tell you that jaish al islam. rules dumont with an iron fist very co-opted activists doctors and humanitarians with fear and intimidation you may also remember in the lead up to this incident russia warned that this could happen and that rebels might stage a chemical attack to invite foreign intervention the rail and evacuation deal we have undeniable evidence that this was yet another staged attack that involved intelligence agencies of one of the countries that is rushing to spearhead a recent campaign but no one in the west listened or pretended not to hear all the media not the politicians here by the way is how b.b.c. reported on the incident back then disturbing reports of a chemical weapons attack chemical attack carried out by the assad regime the magic's are doing more. but they're overground dozens of people have been killed due to poison gas a chemical attack did happen believes ria but everything else the casualties that panic the videos those were meant to achieve something what evidence rianne has w

islamic front, islam is now divided. bashir‘s through so many of them out. which met with the approval of many people, including pro—democracy supporters, actually, when that happened. because they didn't want the islamist. i believe the islamist now, they want to remove. but the difference is that they wanted to use their system. you have been here before, having to? in 2013 when we saw protest against omar al—bashir. 200 people died at that time. this umbrella opposition group came together, calling for a new democracy in sudan. you said we have come together to remove the 1—party regime. sue dan tribune newspaper hailed it as a breakthrough. what happens? nothing. omar al—bashir was still in power 60s later. why would it be different this time? as you know, it is a process. it is not an event. it is accumulations of what happened in 2013. it produced what is taking place now. this one is wider. the regime is bankrupt. the regime economically is not like it was in 2013. and there are many new factors. i believe the sudanese this time we'll get a new social political dispensation that they deserve. what are you going around asking the international community to do, because you are visiting various countries, saying disengage with omar al—bashir. what is it you are saying? well, number one, in europe we are saying to the europeans there isa we are saying to the europeans there is a new situation. we have to consider this new situation. business as usual will not work. you have to disengage the strategic dialogue that the uk and europe is having with al—bashir. it will not work, it will not bear fruits, and we are saying that bashir is a danger to everybody, because bashir is denying 6 million sudanese space in their own country, that is why we are looking for europe. internally displaced people? internally displaced, they are potential immigrants. if you want to resolve it, let us fix our country, let us give those guys an opportunity within a country, and the sudanese, they never expect to go outside sudan. it is only because of the dictatorship, because of genocide, because of war crimes, aggression that bashir is inflicting on them. as well as internally displaced people and refugees themselves, sadhana is also a key transit country for african migrants, and indeedin country for african migrants, and indeed in 2016 was apparently the fifth biggest source of refugees globally, and therefore the european union gives sudan tens of millions of euros every year because it wants it to help them with their migration policy, and also counter terrorism. they are still co—operating with saddam, regardless of what you say to them. i believe the strategic solution is to remove this regime, this dictatorship, and to have a democratic government in sudan that will allow sudanese to have their own life within their own space. again, the security of bashir are trading, and they are using those immigrants asa trading, and they are using those immigrants as a business. actually they are sending them to europe. meanwhile, they are covering it up with the co—operation they have with some of the european countries. what europe is doing is not a solution. europe is doing is not a solution. europe need to seek a new solution, to help the people themselves to fix their life and you have a democratic system. all right, it is notjust europe, though, is it? united states, we saw in 2017 how the united states lifted some of the sanctions against sudan. it is still on the list of states that sponsor to terrorism, but the united states says their removal from that list work in progress and they expect that to happen sometime soon. the americans are still core operating a great deal with the sudanese, for example, the foreign minister said in november last year the level of cooperation that sadha na in november last year the level of cooperation that sadhana is happening with the united states in particular and with the region at large, encountering terrorism, is exemplary. the americans, the commander of the us combined joint task force in the horn of africa, james craig, praised saddam's effo rts james craig, praised saddam's efforts to achieve regional security and stability. that is the kind of mood music that is going on. well, they know very well sudan is organic to terrorism, and they will never change because they are cooperating now with the united states. what is needed for america and europe to change their policy. this is as usual will not ring an end to terrorism, or the end immigration in sudan, because this government is the same government that hosted ben martin, it is the same government thatis martin, it is the same government that is involved in many incidents in destroying the american embassy in kenya and tanzania, and other incidents. —— bin laden. so the americans need to rely on other directions, for that reason we welcome the statement by the secretary of state in his interview, mike pompeo, that there is a need for a new policy, the consider the situation of the sudanese people. so those guys who are ruling sudan, they base their rule in a very narrow social base. they need to appeal to the spirit of democratisation, of peace in sudan. but, i mean, the sudanese government, of course, would say that it doesn't in any way sponsor terrorism, some of the act that you have mentioned, the tragedies such as the one in kenya, they will say, look, you know, we didn't have any involvement in that. and so that is the view that you propound. but i put it to you that it is falling on deaf ears. i have told you how the europeans are still co—operating, the americans still co—operating with sudan, and look at sudan's membership of the arab league. you know, as an arab country it has excellent relations with the united arab emirates, key allies, saudi arabia, the saudi minister of commerce and investment, on 24 january, said the king of saudi arabia has confirmed that saudi arabia has confirmed that saudi arabia would not hesitate to support sudan until it overcomes the current situation. the government in sudan has also said russia and turkey have offered assistance to it, economically. the united arab emirates is giving sudan $300 million as well as 1.1 2 million in tons of fuel. i could just go on and on. sudan has got friends and allies. that they should ask themselves one question. why this system has no impact. this is a corrupt government, this government politically is dead, and what they need, they need to reconsider that they are helping the very government that stood for decades against saudi arabia, and the emirates, and is loved, political islamsity of africa. really, because it, at kenya. it has problems with the islamist culture bug jihadist. when the minister visited kenya, the president said on six february i am happy to know that saddam is handling matters well and that situation in the country is under control. he praised saddam as a pillar of stability in the region. well, the status quo will not bring stability. it is not going to bring peace or democracy. sudan is highly involved in central africa, in south sudan, in libya. it is a source of instability in these countries. the political islam discourse will destroy africa, will cause the fabric —— because the fabric of africa is based on diversity. again, bashir has rules sudan for 30 years. this fact has to be considered. ok, so this fact has to be considered. ok, so he is wanted an international criminal court over his dealings, his attacks in the four, allegedly. and there are those now in sudan, like the chairman of your group —— darfur. there are those who say t

islam do you think gary a wilderness will ever come about i can only say. it's not up to me who is guided to islam and not but of course the best thing is not to curse and to fight him about to make for him and maybe he will convert to islam you never know another member of the freedom party pace with a your. most in the since october last year and i hope that many more will follow i know that both in christian and in islamic tradition there is an expert.

islam do you think gary a wilderness will ever come about i can only say. it's not up to me who is guided to islam and not but of course the best thing is not to curse him and to fight him about to make for him and maybe he will convert to islam you never know another member of the freedom party. if a your for the most in the since october last year. i hope that many more will follow i know that both in christian and islamic tradition there is an expression something along the lines that god are. rules in mysterious ways but i wonder you there is perhaps also certain psychological predisposition that may make these people to switch camps or abruptly it was really. not for me and those for your we both. are educated people we are not like. people that just jump into conclusions so within twenty four hours or for both of us it was a journey i cannot speak for your.

then through rebellion through revolution that iran in perpetuity be governed as an islam a country with islam laws in islam and ideals leading the way for both public and private life so for those people they don't seem to be affected by the economic difficulties they've been facing certainly this is a more conservative place the twenty seven thousand protest against overpricing many of those protests started here by leaders of other political parties some rouhani doesn't have a great deal of support in places like this but the support for the supreme leader for the institution that you represents many people here are unwavering in their support of that they really see the company as a kind of sajjan from a family of revolutionary a leads that brought. government to iran and for them the commemoration of what happened the events that happened forty years ago isn't just an excavation of history if you will it's an opportunity an annual opportunity to reinforce islamic ideals to reinforce anti western sentiment and then bring the past to the present and reinforce that political and social status quo in moder

islam let me ask what attracted you to the dutch freedom party yes well first of all. people are talking about islam and western europe in the united states and other parts of the world and they are misguided about this because they hear a lot of negative stories in the media from other politicians and so did i blame myself that i was not really informed about islam in the past and know i'm happy to be a muslim of course now since two thousand and thirteen. that was a long journey took me over a year but if you study islam sincerely with an open mind it will find. actually it's a very peaceful and a fairy voice a religion that for what i read about your spiritual journey your interest in islam was particularly sparked by your relationship with gareth builders and he's film fitna which portrayed muslims as intolerant and bound on the world domination do you find it ironic i do you perhaps see that as. part of alice plan that you pass to faith would be inspired by bigotry yes well that's very it i sincerely believe that islam was i thought for a society that muslims are oppressing women promoting terrorism and i felt it my responsibility and the responsibility of our political party to warn people about islam so again this was like of the lurch and well no i know the truth by this now but in the period of well i really sincerely thought that islam

islam presents to the western lifestyle some islamic scholars are increasingly concerned about the danger the western lifestyle presents to slam our guest today argues did if moderate muslims don't step up their game within the next twenty to forty years islam may be gone from europe and both camps relying on the inside track supporters well to discuss that i'm now joined by our in the van dorn a former member of the dutch freedom party who converted to islam and now represents the party if unity and islamic party in the hague city council it's a wonder and it's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time and i'm glad to be here now you obviously had a very dramatic political and spiritual transition from what some would call and islamophobia fight each you on this law make one but before we talk about what drew you to islam let me ask what attracted you to the dutch freedom party yes well first of all. people are talking about islam and western europe in the united states and other parts of the world and they are misguided about this because they hear a lot of negative stories in the media from other politicians as. i blame myself that i was not really informed about this in the past. i'm happy to be a muslim of course now since

yet for too long, america tried wishing away the dangers of a radical islamism that's poisoning both islam's great sunni and shia streams that seeks to crush every form of dissent and divergence. we made a devil's bargain with our common enemy, the enemy of our allies and partners in the middle east. since day one of this administration, president trump promised to stand with the good people of iran and stand up to their oppressors. and that's just what we've done. president trump kept his word. when he with drew the united states of america from the disastrous iran nuclear deal. the so-called joint comprehensive plan of action did not prevent iran from obtain agnew clear weapon, it merely delayed the tai when that vile regime would gain access to the world's deadliest weapons and remarkably, the universal view of those who spoke last night at this very conference was that iran has actually become more aggressive since the jcpoa was signed, not less. the united states reimposed sanctions that should never have been lifted in the first place and we've launched a new campaign to prevent the re

islam presents to the western lifestyle some islamic scholars are increasingly concerned about the danger the western lifestyle presents to slam our guest today argues that if moderate muslims don't step up their game within the next twenty to forty years islam may be gone from europe and both camps are relying on the inside track supporters well to discuss that i'm now joined by our in the front door and a former member of the dutch freedom party who converted to islam and now represents the party if unity and islamic party in the hague city council it's a wonder and it's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time good afternoon good to be here now you obviously had a very dramatic political and spiritual transition from what some would call and islamophobia fight each you i'm a slum ikhwan but before we talk about what drew you to islam let me ask what attracted you to the dutch freedom party yes well first of all. people are talking about islam and western europe in the united states and other parts of the world and they are misguided about this because they hear a lot of negative stories in the media from other politicians and so did i blame myself that i was not really informed about this in the false. i'm happy to be a musli

islamic revolution the population was around thirty seven million and now it's more than eighty million many iranians today have never known anything but the post revolution islamic republic and some of the younger generation say their government is letting them down. is joining us from tehran you've been speaking to some of the young people and to run zain what more have they been telling you. well during the everyone we've spoken to of all ages by and large say their biggest concern and their biggest problem is the economy their economic circumstances are a major issue and concern for them and government leaders we've spoken to as well have said specifically that addressing the issue of youth unemployment and youth underemployment is a major priority we're seeing a great deal of highly educated iranians who can't seem to find enough work in iran leaving the country to try to find greener pastures elsewhere if you will we've also spoken to many young people who don't blame the government for their economic problems they support the government the clerical system of government and say that the nine hundred seventy nine islamicrevolution was a kind of referendum of sorts if you will that determined that iran be run as an islamic country according to islamic ideals but there are those who feel that the way in which the government interprets and administers those ideals in terms of public policy they feel that that does not define them necessarily we met some of those people and here's their story. in dimly lit corners of to han young men and women play the blues stealing moments of freedom in private studios might be the closest they get to the big stanch. even to damage your gigs in small cafes as in a lot he says her band gets two songs in before security shows up to shut them down . for a female vocalist in iran it's not just that a woman singing in public is illegal society doesn't recognize my entire life i wanted to send for me it's like breathing i can't do anything else but there's no professional recognition as an artist. everyone in this room was born after the one nine hundred seventy nine revoluti

islamic system well if you look at the afghan constitution it says that afghanistan respects shari'a law is governing the cord to the islamic principles so it really depends on what you mean by in this logic system. in afghanistan in kabul where i've lived for a fair part of the last several years there is an islamic system so the question is will the taliban accept what the rest of afghanistan regards as an acceptable islamic system or do they want something else something that is more a traditional pasha to system with a huge amount of oppression of women are they going to accept the presence of shia in the has are a minority which when they were in power before they were discriminated against so we have to look at what they mean when they say islamic system a true islamic system would be fine but if it's one that is really just a pashtun tribal system that's another question. now the former ivory coast president laurent gbagbo has been released by the international criminal court he and his ally the former youth minister shahrzad blow goo to work acquitted last month but that decision's been appealed by prosecutors they have been accused of crimes against humanity including initiating a wave of violence following disputed elections in two thousand and ten while jubilant supporters danced and ch

showers the schoolgirl who ran away tojoin islamic showers the schoolgirl who ran away to join islamic state, showers the schoolgirl who ran away tojoin islamicy to join islamic state, but who showers the schoolgirl who ran away tojoin islamic state, but who is now asking to return to the uk. pictured in today's newspapers in a syrian refugee camp with her newborn sun, shamima begum is appealing for public sympathy. her family are asking the british government to show compassion and help them get her home. they would like the government to recognise its responsibility to her and her one —day—old child, and to extend every help that can be given to have that child repatriated to the united kingdom. she travelled from east london to syria with vote schoolfriends in 2015, but fled fighting a fortnight ago. the government has said it wants to prevent people who went to join a terrorist group returning to written. but ministers concede that people like shamima begum who have only british nationality may ultimately be allowed to come back. if you are dealing with a british citizen who wants to return to this country, and they are not a dual citizen