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nonetheless, he spent his entire life committed to the egyptian islamic jihad and ultimately getting together with bin laden. our interest in him begins with the africa embassy bombings going on to the u.s.s. cole. he's been as we know and as you reported, he's been in hiding. and i think the most important thing right now is just simply the timing of this announcement. it is six weeks later. and there is a debate about whether that represented a movement to get rid of him, and not have an egyptian lead al qaeda. and or is it the nature that here is a group that has clearly been compromised. they don't know what we know. and it just took them a long time to essentially elevate bin laden's heir apparent. >> brown: what about that, there has been that speculation. was this a po per-- power struggle during this time or just normal process? >> we don't really know. this is an organization that has often thought internal consultation and a degree of unity. and since the members are being hunted not only by pakistanies but especially with the drone program, having that consultation is of m

the initial exposure to extremist jihad islam may begin in prison. however, it often matures after the release. 2009, four x. inmates were arrested for plotting to bomb synagogues in new york and shootout military aircraft with a single missile. they did not know each other while they were incarcerated. they met each other after their release was attending a local mosque connected to the prison ministry. that mosque was founded by omar. in 2003 whom are gave an interview. he at the time had a cabinet department of corrections where he was director of minister of services. in its into he went on to call the 9/11 hijackers heroes and he went on to say without justice there will be warfare and they could come to this country. he said the natural candidates to help press such attack in his view are african-americans who embrace islam in prison. in other words, prisons were a prime place to recruit terrorist. as result of that the department justice lost an investigation for hiring islamic clergy. in its report among its recommendations, they said that th

they had international connections with terrorist organizations such as egyptian islamic jihad, al qaeda, hezbollah and hamas. after they were arrested and incarcerated they have walked into the prison mosques and where hailed as heroes. they were inspired in deference by the muslim inmates in the muslim chaplains. some of them were given a position by the civil service chaplain is administrative clerks. this gave them access to a phone that was not listed by security personnel which allow them to make calls throughout the united states and united states and overseas. one of them was serving a sentence in a correctional facility conspired with other individuals on the outside to bomb the world trade center in 1993. the jihad had come to america and one of its architects was an inmate. then in 1999, several law enforcement agencies received information regarding radical islamic activity in the prison system specifically detailing recruitment efforts in the prisons. authorities learned of a jordanian born in may 2 identified himself as if follower of osama bin laden and said his group was

ayman al zawahiri joined the egyptian islamic jihad group as a teenager.bers of the group assassinated anwar sadat, he later befriended osama bin laden in afghanistan and joined forces with him. they issued a decree, calling to muslims to kill and fight americans. cnn's mohammed jamjoom joins us. >> reporter: suzanne, it doesn't seem to be making a difference. the real question is why did it take song for zawahiri to be appointed. this has taken several weeks. many analysts are wondering if this is pointing to the fact that al qaeda is weakened, less strong than it used to be, not as emboldened as it once was. there was has been on lot of discussion about who would fill osama bin laden's shoes. zawahiri, though the de facto leader, and very well known in the organization, the deputy for bid laden, really seen as a ideologue, seen as difficult to work with. there was a lot of speculation, would someone like anwar al awlaki, who's seen as so charismatic, more eloquent, if somebody like he from the younger generation of al qaeda would take over the group. thi

so that again, they just took the prison gang models and just overlaid the radical islamic jihad. >> what's the solution? in other words, we are costly amazed at the way that inmates are able to communicate come and ingenuity associate with it. but is the real goal for us then not so much be worried about the method of comedic asian butt identify those who seem to be sharing this philosophy and then to an appropriate job of following the? >> i think that's exactly right. the solution is vigilance in terms of identifying the members and groups because communication networks, he will find ways to committee. so to try to stop that might be futile. >> mr. useem, you made a comment that the profile is different. how? >> different in education, different in poverty. the tears seemed to be from better educated backgrounds and criminals have very, tend to be very low education. the relevance of that is whether or not the the act and the self interest. to become a terrorist one has to have a lot of goals and that comes with education. >> there's a lot of guys that are strapping bombs on the b

lebanese support hezbollah because they really drunk the kool-aid about resistance and radical islam and jihad. other support hezbollah because hezbollah pays for schools and hospitals. other support hezbollah because hezbollah brings power and dignity to the shia community that has been marginalized economically and politically for hundreds of years. i have met many of these people who have no interest whatsoever in the thing in an iranian style state and they have no interest whatsoever in the war with israel and yet they support hezbollah so hezbollah knows they have diverse, a diverse support base and have to try as hard as they can to make all of these people happy at the same time which is very difficult to do. eventually it is i think going to be impossible for them to do. it is just a matter of time before all of these contradictions work themselves out and something different happens. >> host: and they have to contend with again the way the history, the persians and arabs have had pretty tense times. the idea of an iranian society really taking root in the arab world is hard to see an

think of the muslim brotherhood as an organization that is -- believes in political islam or violence or extremism or jihad. what do you say to people like that? >> i say to them, you must go to islam itself to understand islam. islam is islam. and i think islam is a very peaceful religion. it's a way of life. it is cooperating with all others, respecting all religions, respecting humanity, respecting peace and prosperity, working for peace in the world. >> what did you think of the assassination of osama bin laden? >> we as muslim brotherhood condemn violence. from any side. we were waiting for trial for osama bin laden because we want to know the truth about everything which was directed, charged by osama bin laden himself. and also we are against any intervention, mainly by force, by violence, which violates sovereignty of any country, especially pakistan. we ask in our statement after killing osama bin laden it is a time to withdraw troops from afghanistan after destroying the country, and also from iraq. mr. obama promised his voters, not us, that he is going to end such war, which was killing more th

state in pakistan, where, through the instrument of a military coup, a true believer in global islamic jihad takes control of the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world. that sixth largest country in terms of population. what would we do about that? try to wrap your head around what american strategy would deal with to do with a country like that. we're going to engage them? they're not likely to engage us. are we going to contain them? we might have some success in that because virtually everyone else would also find them dangerous, that containment is always a long-term approach. are we going to use kinetic force? are we going to use force against pakistan? should we invade pakistan? i know your reaction is this guy is nuts, but we have invaded three islamic countries in the last decade, one we kind only invaded airspace, but we still invaded their airspace. but in the case of pakistan, this really would be insanity, taking on a nuclear armed enemy with 180 million people who, as tony's poll chart shows is, are not exactly ready to be won over to the american way of life by some gis

again they just took the prison gang model and just overlaid their radical islamic jihadism. >> what's the solution? in other words, we're constantly amazed at the way inmates are able to communicate and the ingenuity associated with it but is the real goal for us then not so much to be worried about the method of communication but identify those who seem to be sharing the philosophy and doon appropriate job of following them? >> i think that's right. the solution is vigilance in terms of identifying the members in the groups because the communication network, they're always going to find ingenious ways to communicate, that might be futile but follow the members in the groups. >> you made a comment that the pro files of terrorists and trillions are different. how? >> difference in education, difference in poverty, and the terrorists tend to be from better educated backgrounds and criminals -- prison offenders tend to have low education. the relevance of that is whether or not they act in their self-interest. to become a terrorist, one has to have broader goals and that comes with educa

some lebanese has really drunk the kool-aid about radical islam and a jihad. other support hezbollah because other support hezbollah because it has power and dignity to the shia community that has been marginalized and politically for 100 years and many of these people who have no interest whatsoever in war with israel but knows they support hezbollah and they know they have a diverse supporter base and pass to try as hard as they can to make of these people healthy happy. it will eventually be impossible but a matter of time before the contradictions and something different happens. >> and the idea of the iranian society really taking root in the arab world is hard to see. if it works, again the story is told. but it would be as the war arab state despite what iran has been providing to the shia relevance in that community. so lebanon may reassert itself once again to accommodate the new challenges. you can see that. >> it will be okay. >> host: or we are all dead. >> guest: that too. >> host: why would you go back? >> guest: i like to go back this summer. no

a long period, we saw wave after wave after wave of islamic conquest and jihad against the west.srael did not exist during this period yet. we saw spain, sicily, greece, the balcans, romanian conquered. they drove into central france, got to the gates of vienna twice. this is nothing to do with israel and nothing to do with jews. israel is the canary in the coal mine in the fight, the first line of defense for western civilization. >> host: let's talk the defense of western civilization. people will read this and say what can i do? way can i do as a citizen? what can my government do? give us some suggestions as to what somebody who picks this book up and goes, oh my good, what's my role in this? what is it? >> guest: we talk about these issues a lot. that's always the question we get. i travel the country giving speeches. number one, i implore you, get informed. you don't have to be an islam expert, buy the book, but don't have to be an expert or a political junk ky, but put down your ipod, turn off the game, american idol, 15-20 minutes a day and get informed on what's going on

reestablished 1400 years come a long period, we saw a wave after wave of islamic conquests in jihad against the west. israel did not exist during this period, yet we saw >> , sicily, greece, the balkans, romania, conquered by islamists. we saw them to bite into central france. we saw them get to the gates of vienna twice. it said nothing to do with israel and nothing to do with jews. israel is a canary in the coal mined in this fight the first line defense for the civilization. >> host: let's talk about the defense of western civilization because, you and your book this week and i want to in the interview this way. a lot of people are going to read this and say what can i do, what can i do as a citizen? what can my government do? give us some suggestions as to what somebody who picks this book up and says oh my god, what is my role in this? >> guest: fred, you and i were talking before the show. we talk about these issues a lot. that's always the question we get. i travel the country giving speeches. that's when asked. please come on imports to get informed. you don't have to be in islam ex

because let's not forget the taliban didn't i wouldn't say had a sort of global jihad a study having wanting to establish an islamic caliphate is not the same as having this ideology i mean in the borrowed a lot of concepts from the insurgency in iraq. and that's why betrays the strategy of counterinsurgency was so successful that worst case scenario is we're talking about a complete and that's a regional regional turmoil in india sits between. pakistan says between india and china two nuclear powers. pakistan has demonstrated its nuclear capability and afghanistan is situated in between and between iran and pakistan so i think state failure with regard to afghanistan and pakistan is what we've really got to be concerned with and then of course that has knock on effects to your security policy in london paris and washington ok gary time we realize one of the program guys. well i mean the idea that a taliban takeover of power the worst case scenario is going to cause a war between pakistan and india is really far fetched and i would just point out that any reasonable analysis of the rationale for the war in afghanis

it shows a hopeful alternate than jihad and the fantasy of an islamic kalifet. >> speaking of which we have two questions from the audience related to israel. one of them relates to israel's influence on u.s. policy. one of the main characters in your book is israeli, a woman, who actually is involved with brook chandler. >> those were the fun scenes. i want to point out that they're there. this is not all grim. [laughter] >> no, in fact it gets into quite a few scenes with them, but it also like real life goes over politics and so forth. and they talk about different things. but the question from the audience is, how -- one of the questions is, how influential israel is to u.s. foreign policy and in terms of this book that you've written, you know, can you talk about that because you do explore that issue in a book? >> well, in terms of the proposition placed on the table by this book, combating nuclear terrorism, they're both concerned about it and they both ought to be. the destruction of tel-aviv would be the destruction of israel given its geography and all the rest and the destru

. >> translator: i call for jihad, my beloved people, to fight those who fight islam. >> reporter: sincethat killed bin laden, u.s. counterterrorism officials have assumed zawahiri was in deep hiding, afraid for his safety. analysts believe he must have been very anxious to be seen and heard, because releasing this video involved risks, for instance, using a courier, like the one that led the u.s. to bin laden. intelligence analysts have pored over previous al qaeda videos trying to determine where they were taped. this video does not provide any obvious clues. the background is nondescript. jeanne meserve, cnn, washington. >>> prince harry meets up with the british army, more of our hot shots coming up. [ male announcer ] built like a volkswagen. the 2011 tiguan. [ grunts ] with your host, betty white. featuring lifetime aarp member, betty white. and betty white. i'm sorry, betty isn't here. [ male announcer ] with outstanding performances by the bettys. if you're 50 or over but hesitant to join aarp because you think it makes you old, i have a very important message: [ all ] get over i

jihad had come to america. several law enforcement agencies receive information regarding radical islamic activities in the present system. authorities monitored a jordanian-born inmate who identified himself as a follower of osama bin laden and said his group was interested in recruiting inmates. he said his group intended to give inmates trained in the middle east after the release and then have them return to the u.s. to participate in jihad. not surprisingly, his present job was as chaplain clerk. the initial exposure of -- to extremists may be seen in prison, however, it all went matures after release. in 2009, 4 x inmates were arrested for plotting to bomb synagogues in new york. they did not know each other while they were incarcerated, but they met each other after their release while attending a local mosque connected to a prison ministry. that mosque had been founded by omar. in 2003, he gave an interview. he retired from the new york department of corrections where he was director of ministerial services. he said that without justice there will be warfare and it can come to this country. he said the nat

. >> it's islam's own tradition of independent thinking and creative reasoning. and i know to many american ears that sounds perilously like jihadomes from the same root, "to struggle." but unlike any notion of violent struggle, ijjihad is about struggling with the mind. >> and you make the point that when ichtjihad was dominant islam was perhaps the dominant religion in the world. and then it was suppressed. >> for all kinds of political reasons. but the point is this. that we as muslims in america are perfectly poised to rediscover ijjihad, to practice it again, and in that way to pring the b bring the practice of our faith up for the 21st century. >> thank you for those fascinating insights. up next we've asked politicians to give us their cuts, their compromises. for the most part they've given us a song and a dance. not alan simpson. he's the real deal with real ideas. he'll share them with us when we come back. and makes tooth enamel two times stronger. get dual-action listerine® whitening rinse. building whiter, stronger teeth. right now, go to priceline for a sneak peek at recent winning and better than ever! hotel bids

. >> i called for jihad, my beloved people, to fight those who fight islam. >> reporter: since the raid laden, u.s. captor terrorism officials assumed zawahiri was in hiding. analysts believe he must have been anxious to be seen and heard because release thing video involved risks. for instance, using a courier like the one that led the u.s. to bin laden. intelligence analysts have pored over previous al qaeda videos. determining where they were taped and this video does not provide any obvious clues. background is pretty non-descript. >> confirmation that bin laden is dead. >>> serious split opened up between iran's president and the islamic republic's conservative cleric. he is finding out there is a reason why iran's top ayatollah called the supreme leader. brian todd is following these developments for us. fascinating what's going on in iran. >> it is. ahmadinejad, as you know, made powerful allies in his six years as iran's president. he's now crossed the top religious leader, real power there. and now many are watching to see if the fractures could take a serious turn. for six yea

. >> translator: i called for jihad, my beloved people, to fight those who fight islam. >> reporter:d bin laden, u.s. counterterrorism officials assume zawahiri was in deep hiding afraid for his safety. analysts believe he must have been very anxious to be seen and heard because releasing this video involved risks. for instance, using a currier like the one that led the u.s. to bin laden. intelligence analysts have pored over previous al qaeda videos trying to determine where they were taped. this video does not provide any obvious clues. the background is nondescript. jeanne meserve, cnn, washington. >>> i'm suzanne malveaux. want to get you up to speed. this just in -- congressman anthony weiner is sticking by his decision not to resign. a source tells cnn weiner told a colleague is he not stepping down. the source described weiner as dug in. a new x-rated photo apparently of the congressman has now surfaced online the conservative blogger says he didn't publish the picture but shared it with two radio deejays. >> my website refuses to publish this photo. they have admitted they to

islam in this way. >> reporter: the fbi says the men were modeling their planned attack on what happened in ft. hood, texas, where 13 people were killed. >> we must establish jihad. i don't care what anybody says about that. you can turn me in to the fbi. whatever. we need to establish with the tongue, with your heart and your happens. >> reporter: the two were arrested after they took several weapons from an fbi undercover, machine guns that had been disabled. and the fbi sent a warning to local law enforcement there may well be other plots like this in the works. americans inspired by al qaeda to carry out attacks on u.s. military installations and military leaders in this country, robin. >> all right. thank you, brian. appreciate it. >>> let's turn to josh elliott on this friday morning for other developing stories. good morning, josh. >> good morning again to you, robin and george. we're going to begin with a shocker in that osama bin laden investigation, still undergoing. agents have found the cell phone of bin laden's trusted courier. and on that phone, according to "the new york times," they found contact information for a militant group linked to pakista