so my aspirations and bill's aspirations, whether it is islth, whether it decision-making, whether its economic opportunity, we will not get there as a world if we don't make the right investments in women. emily: in computer science, women hit their peak, earning 37% of degrees in 1984. that has since plummeted to 18% and has been flat for the last decade. similar numbers when it comes to jobs women are holding in this industry. you lived this. what went wrong? melinda: it looks like when the gaming industry turned, when the pro -- when the games became more male games, more shoot 'em up. if you think about the early games that i played, pac-man, the adventure games, the atari games breakout, they were , gender-neutral. when you got into these very combative games that were male centered, and more and more men got into the industry, to women it just started to feel unwelcoming. when you get that flywheel going where an industry becomes single-sex focused, it feels unwelcoming to women. so they might join it, but if they don't see other people around them -- we all know people look fo