israel made a pullback from from it made an upgrade from area a to area from area b. the area a and israel because of the terrorism that had washed the streets of tel aviv jerusalem haifa and other cities had frozen other pullbacks because the palestinian authority as is widely known by the clinton administration and by the bush administration after that had made egregious violations of international law and murdered israelis so i wonder whether after the seven seventy degree lines you all did not whether it. was my mother look at at there i didn't hear you what were you saying go ahead robert go ahead what was that so you would agree you do agree that the ninety five agreement and then why river did mean for the pullbacks which were not fulfilled by the israeli. go ahead dan you know both in one thousand nine hundred three exchange of letters the one thousand nine hundred three exchange of letters as i'm sure mr fyshe is one of the great scholars of the middle east is aware was all based on the fact that there would be a complete end to palestinian terrorism violence

i think the palestinians should not be either subject of israel or citizens of israel. they should have their own independent country. we should be assured that this country is not used as a staging ground for iranian-sponsored terrorist attacks on us. and i think this combination of state for the palestinians and security for israel is something that can be brought about in direct negotiations that i propose to start without any preconditions, without any pretext. >> larry: right. >> leaders don't need excuses. they just have to get on with it and i'm prepared to get on with it. >> larry: do you -- you absolutely favor a palestinian state though, right? >> i do. and i want to make sure that it -- that we don't have a repeat of what happened in the other two times that we vacated territory. you know, we left lebanon, every last square inch of it. and iran came in and used it as a staging ground to launch 6,000 rockets on israel's cities. 6,000. we left gaza, last square inch, and iran used it to arm its proxies and fired another 6,000 rockets. so, we can't afford that h

would want to claim i mean israel hasn't defined its borders so you know the problem is defining israel but this question of where palestinians live of course is crucial to the whole idea of ethnic cleansing and also questions of depending on how you define a genocide there are there on definitions in international law about genocide. and some people would argue that actually what israel is doing qualifies as genocide and whether one wants to adopt that view or not there's very clear issue here about where palestinians are being allowed to live and slowly they've been pushed further and further out of their historic homeland to the very margins of it now outside of it and that's a process of very clear cleansing now there's a question of what's going on now you know this invasion from gaza created a whole question about whether gaza was can. part of the palestinian people for most israeli jews now they consider gaza to be a separate state that no longer in the occupation even though it's besieged on all sides by israel. and therefore in a sense out of the picture the question is what is

american policy for israel power so i'm not saying the whole middle east i'm saying israel palestine now if you look at obama i think obama meant well possibly means what it is but i think he was an ideal for an inexperienced he came into office quickly challenging netanyahu of the settlements in jerusalem and as soon as not only goes to the total go to hell and back to president carter once made a comment to me he said that any american president has only two windows of opportunity to take on and have a chance of defeating the zionist lobby in congress the first opportunity was in the first nine months of his first because after that the funding for the midterm elections starts. and the second opportunity was in the last year his second term if he had won and let's go back to the region for minix another of israel's issues at the moment is iran do you think that iran is justified in being worried about a nuclear threat from iran i don't think they have any interest in developing nuclear weapons but maybe some of their number now saying look we ought to at least have the capability b

israel, about supporting israel. they are a growing group. a lot of clout, senator joe lieberman, israel's ambassador to the u.s.mike pence, and democrat shelly berkel. this is a growing influential group no doubt. >> what is their opinion towards obama's administration? >> it is not too high. mike pence out of indiana said the obama is the most antiisrael administraon in american history. that summeup the sentiments of the cufi crowd unfortunately. it can't be ignored what the obama administration is doing with israel. recent photo op with israel prime nister benjamin netanyahu. they want to see more policies out of this administration, policies that line up with the policies of every administration over the past 50-60 years. >> what is behind their passion for israel? >> no. 1, biblically, the bible says clearly, abouisrael, i will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse yo there is a biblical mandate, christians, we worship,wendy, a jewish rabbi named jesus. all of the figures are jewish, from the ol

the shelling of israel?> no, the sending of a flotilla to open the blockade directly to gaza while we offered to them -- i talked to the turkish -- and to other for mr. -- mr. abdullah gul, we will check whatever is on board those vessels and allow them to bring it -- we will bring it to gaza. so basically, the provocation was the attempt to break the -- and go to gaza. >> charlie: you're the defense minister of israel. do you approve of the way that was handled? >> yeah. >> charlie: in the middle of t night? do you approve of that? you have no reservations about what happened at all? and you approved it yourself? >> at certain point -- at certain point, when our soldiers entered there, coming there with kind of a police-like equipment in their hands and only small pistol to protect themselves, they were attacked and then found themselves under immediate risk to their lives, each one of them coming down attacked by several people so at certain point they found themselves attacked, even shot at by pistols tha

let's talk first about israel's blockade on gaza and the eight chips that are trying to get in and israel insists that that blockade is legal what do you thing well let's first of all say that the purpose of the blockade is the collective punishment of the whole people of gaza to try to wean them away from hamas now collective punishment by definition is a war crime it is absolutely illegal. the only benefit of the attempts to break the blockade is not really assisting the people of gaza but it is helping to make israel. be perceived in the world of people as more and more prostate and who is set to gain the most from that p.r. exercise as a very simple truth that most people don't know when israel was created and closed the palestine file after its picture on the battlefield in forty eight. the whole establishment world wanted that file to remain closed in other words zionism. and the western powers were not only of one mind the arab regimes behind closed doors were one mind they wanted the file to remain closed the palestinians were supposed to accept their lot as the sacrificial lamb o

existence when the palestinians inside israel lived under a military government. they couldn't move outside of their communities without a permit from military government government they lived under martial law i mean today there are there are several palestinian parties but none of them have ever been allowed to serve in the government none of them have held any positions of responsibility what's happened is that you can only participate in the government if you subscribe to this position which is that the jews are privileged population inside the country for instance there's no palestinian minority have no control over their schooling their curriculum is decided by the jewish majority there's very clear issue here about where palestinians are being allowed to live and slowly they've been pushed further and further out of their historic homeland to the very margins of it now outside of it and that's a process of very clear cleansing. and you can hear more from jonathan cook a journalist working in the middle east later in the program here on r.t. a ruling against

we just find somewhere else and if israel leaves scars cell which is remarkable again israel left gaza to the one nine hundred sixty seven borders not a single soldier in gaza not a single settlement in gaza and yet what you see you see the palestinians and especially must think oh no you haven't really left he still occupy us because the refuse to assume responsibility hasn't for big that they should actually be responsible and build something and give up on this culture of always resisting always being against they would actually have to prove themselves and mean think of that so there's a desire to constantly say you never really left you still occupy us you still responsible and because you're still responsible we can sit back and we're not responsible so why was is also defense minister ehud barak and the rest of the defense establishment not open to this kind of thinking because if you look at the leadership of israel today it was forged through military struggle and it was forged through anti-terrorist struggle so they are still the outcome of the different arena the arena that

existence when the palestinians inside israel lived under a military government. they couldn't move outside of their communities without a permit from military government government they lived under martial law but during that period they had full voting rights so with where they living under in a democracy the question really is how did israel engineer a situation where it could give voting rights to its palestinian minority and not feel threatened by me today that are there are several past and parties about one of them of ever being allowed to serve in the government none of them of held any positions of responsibility what's happened is that you. only participate in the government if you subscribe to this position which is that the jews are privileged population inside the country this isn't just about the parliament applies to many other kinds of spheres of life for them for instance there's no the palestinian minority have no control of their schooling their curriculum is decided by the jewish majority in your book blood and religion you've accused israel of

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and israel. andrew shapiro is expected to highlight recent efforts with the fence consultations and training partnerships, hosted by the brookings institution in washington. this event is scheduled to be 90 minutes. this is live coverage on c-span. [applause] >> thank you so much for that introduction and for your friendship and for all of the work you are doing here at the center. i would also like to thank martin, director for foreign policy. he gave me my first paying job in washington, d.c., 20 years ago. he was at another think tank in town. i had just graduated college and was unemployed. i read an op-ed by him, i thought it was very good. i got an interview and i was hired part-time in the fall of 1989. i must say, i was just out of school. i probably did not set the world on fire, but i begged and pleaded and got hired full-time. i was there in august of 1990, in the days right before iraq invaded kuwait, when there were some rumblings. i remember being at a barbecue at martin's house and

it was an attempt to destabilize israel in various ways and israel had to respond.t's a natural fact when they get rocketed and bombed in this way they're going to be careful about not allowing much to go on in gaza. they are providing humanitarian aid. it's very rare that a country being bombed by another country provides them with humanitarian aid. i don't remember england doing this during world war ii for germany, it's quite sxroord and israel is doing this for political reasons as much as humanitarian reasons but israel is not in position to start providing which i agree they need factory, egypt feels the same threat from hamas that israel does in various ways because hamas is allied with iran and with the muslim brotherhood. this is not what mubarak is looking to having a major role in his country so they're very tough on the gaza people too, primarily because of their political leadership and that's what, when that happened which was really one of the great disasters and something which in part was a result of american policy in forcing gaza into a very stran

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