now a row over israel's nuclear activities is expected to dominate this year's general conference of the international atomic energy agency which is opened in vienna arab countries have proposed a resolution on israel's nuclear program but the u.s. and e.u. member states are against it saying it could undermine middle east peace talks before more this is joined by paul ingram from london he's the executive director of the british american security information council thank you for joining us this evening mr ingram i'd like to begin by asking you israel has always pressed hard for tough measures against the wrong but it's believed to be developing nuclear weapons itself do you see this as a double standard. well of course it's a double standard israel has believed to be anywhere between eighty and two hundred nuclear weapons already and we believe a development program for fusion nuclear weapons and submarine base launch nuclear weapons as well as the existing launch nuclear weapons and missile. warheads on missiles it's a very substantial but well developed nuclear arsenal that has b

israel. and who can guarantee us that what they say will not be done? it's not a group that is based on them telling the truth. it's not the leadership that likes peace. they are introducing terror and killing and hitting. it's a shameful organization. now israel says we have nuclear weapons. i know that we are suspected of having it -- >> i assume on this program, you will not confirm that right now? >> no. i think if suspicion can salvage the detrerrendeterrent, it's en. the foreign minister, we are good friends. we are such good friends. why wouldn't you take me, let me have a look at what's going on. i tell him, you're crazy. i shall take you to dimona, you'll see there's nothing there, they'll fire me. i want you to be suspicious. that's the persurpose. >> but do you think that anything ahmadinejad has said in the last few weeks or this week with at the u.n., has it worried you more? there are many people who have said, this is a very shrewd, calculating regime. they are trying to assert

well israel's judicial inquiry has not concluded yet there was the i.d.f. inquiry so we'll have to wait what israel's position inquiry says but again the human rights council as kofi annan said is selective politicized and casts a shadow upon the reputation of the u.n. as a whole bunch the moon criticized the council for its excessive focus on israel which is seventy five percent of all resolutions are against israel only a handful in the rest of the world combined out of ten emergency sessions seven have been against israel so what happens when we get such a report that is biased they disregarded evidence that we submitted of the i.a.e.a. changes g. hottest intentions their violent actions on the ship the fact that the violence that happened they were looking for a confrontation all of that was disregarded in fact this is part of a pattern at the human rights council entirely consistent with their actions in recent years ok hill north things very much for you were inside their executive director of the un watch and following the flotilla incident israel ea

so we are very much helpful to israel.nd not only on previous governments, the current government. i mean, many time i went there, many times the department went there, many times they came with us. and we had very gone -- >> with the netanyahu government? >> to the netanyahu government, yes. >> until then, so it's this government you have had trouble with? >> yes. yes, yes, yes. >> some people look at this and say turkey is trying to play a new foreign policy that will win the hearts and mind of the arab world so it is forsaking israel, it is attacking israel, it is having a more islamic foreign policy. >> no, no. i mean, the rhetoric in foreign policy is not good, you see. it doesn't get anywhere. but terror and war is -- if you dare to raise your voice sometimes then of course the people -- they like this. but we are not against israel. we are not the enemy. but we have a right to criticize the policies. >> we'll be back in a moment with more with turkish president gul. we've heard what israeli president peres would hav

of israel. joining us are rachel a professional mediator and abby associate director of jewish community relations council. this is a wonderful initiative cosponsored by the jewish federation of marin and sonoma counties, jewish relations council and northern california rabbis. i am president of the board of rabbis so i am excited to talk to rachel, erin and abby. >>> thank you very having us. >> what is the year of civil discourse and why focus on israel? >> we are really excited about this project eric. we are launchling this because of controversy that brewed within the jewish community. we at jcrc are often -- most of our work is looking at community relations outside of the jewish community but the way in which our community dialogues about israel and other controversial matters has signaled to us we also need to focus at building bridges within the jewish community. we are launching initiatives to elevate the level of discourse within the jewish community on controversial issues. we heard

or israel. no i don't think so in the recent jeffrey goldberg piece in the atlantic for trade benjamin netanyahu and barack both the prime minister and the defense minister of israel as not actually concerned that iran is an existential threat to israel not concerned that even if they did have nuclear weapons that they would launch some sort of first strike. netanyahu said that he was concerned that hezbollah might be emboldened worried that we remember so well from the bush years and and fretted that perhaps they were being a brain drain he called it of talented israelis to who might want to move to the united states to live instead of israel this is the existential threat to israel that american boys are supposed to die in another war for and your your other guest is absolutely correct that we have fifty thousand combat forces in iraq right now along with one hundred thousand or so contractors some of the mercenaries some not all of them within range of iranian retaliation and you know when it

so israel was justified in responding. >> israel react defensively and exclusive.he israel the only democracy in the region to support the jewish faith. full of hate. the air decadent. playing the victim, they perfected it. >> has gone through cycles with hezbollah. we're not in a cycle now, we're in the war. we're determined the end of this war hezbollah will not be on our northern border. >> my view is, yes, israel was quite justified. being in israel at the time i can tell you there was a unified support. the more the war went on, the less effectively it was prosecute. there was concern and outcry about what was done was not done well. >> i never thought i'd see it again frankly. none of us did. we never thought it could -- and also we never thought it could be worse than what happened in '82. this put that to shame, i have to tell you. >> they were from dearborn according to the statistics from the state department and the u.s. embassy in beirut, 4,000 lebanese were visiting villages in the south. >> most attacks reported were in southern lebanon close to the i

or israel in the united states depending on the pecking order. well first i'd like to say that i'm very disappointed in what your guest had to say effectively what he was saying was that we should murder and murder iranians and destroy parts of the country we have the right to kill iranians who have not attacked any country in recent history in fact if any country should be angered and if any country should have grievances it is iran iran was invaded by saddam hussein with western support western countries helps ataru iran has not having iran has not weapons and ron has not supported hamas scuse me i mean i didn't introduce her to arista terrorizing around the world i think you should allow me a little hearing you and then you can really really. go ahead lamest false professor marandi has been on lies defending its own country against the country a regime is zein this apartheid regime that has occupied this country and still continues to occupy parts of lebanon israel today on a daily basis. its airplanes go over lebanese airspace and the israeli

there's a much more open, honest discourse within israel. unfortunately, the progressive, peace-minded political community in israel is still in retreat. public opinion polls there show that the majority realize that occupation of the west bank is wrong, that it mortgages israel's future as a jewish democratic state, and they are desperate for peace. similarly, in palestine, you find the same pattern of a peace-minded majority. the grassroots phenomenon is also critical here in the united states where our own government needs to be prompted to carry out its responsibility as a peacemaker. i'm encouraged by the growth of no one sectarian jewish and muslim american groups in this country who are promoting peace and realize that this cannot happen if a partisan provide is taken, that both israel and palestine must work together, that we must support them both, and not take sides, as so often we have in the past. >> i'm going to get back to the non-violent grassroots movement in a second, but the dialogue that we have in this country is in a way

no better guy for understanding israel. walking israel.everything you have done over these years and continue to. what political story will be making headlines in the next 24-hours? that's next right here. [ engine revving ] [ male announcer ] the u.s. government may soon require brake override technology on all new cars and trucks. at nissan, we think this is a good idea. so we did it... ...six years ago. [ wind howling ] nissan. innovation for safety. innovation for all. they're seeing -- >> isn't this normal tightening, closing? >> well, some of it, yes. absolutely. and some of its effect that they've had a big fund raising advantage. and they've used that for tv ads. when you're divining your opponent as not the best person in the world, and your opponent isn't on tv, those numbers aren't going to help a little bit. the question is in the next month we're going to see republicans get on tv. do those numbers snap back to where they were in august when democrats were kind of woe is me, and the house is gone, and the senate is gone, and,

they want israel to be destroyed. host: let me jump in at this point, something for each of our guests to respond to. guest: israel set itself up as a democracy, not a theocracy. much of the relationship that has been maintained with america has been based on that value. yes, there are biblical prophecies from which we draw inspiration. i am personally not an enthusiast about having a jewish the chronic state of israel, as much as a theocratic republic of iran. it may choose to define themselves as a theocratic base, deriving its decisions from biblical prophecy -- if that is the future of israel, and i acknowledge that there are more and more people in israel who think in those terms -- then everyone who disagrees with that vision, others with a democratic system, will have to step back and look at how they want to relate with that israel. the american president can only work with the israel that he has in front of him. it is a democracy based on political systems, politics. thank delay, we do not have rockets launch

are we merely a security project for israel? the occupying power with all the difficulties and complications that will be entailed by this kind of understanding or concept having security doctrine defined clearly in the first order of business our security doctrine is one that is based definitely on dealing violence out of the equation for sure that's our interest. that's how we define it from our point of view. it happens to be consistent with obligations that we took on the road map and before as going back to 1993. well and good. but it's in our best interest. we're doing a favor for ourselves. as a really key component to what. >> to do to get to freep. >> rose: from wherever it comes. >> yes. we're against it for certain and we have acted very much consistent with that. >> rose: and you think that's possible? you could sit down with hamas and get them to come to that point of view or somewhere near that point of view? >> rose: charlie, i think it should be possible. i have just told you with clarity what our security doctri

settlements in order to get israel into a real peace. and coming up later this hour here in our team pirate politics. birotteau do you know. i grew up in russia started a political movement hoping to win over voters with pledges of fewer restrictions on internet piracy. but as well as ruling party backed by president of the chavez has won the country's general election but early results show it's missed out on the two thirds needed four hour drive majority now the opposition that's one more than one third of the seats to blog bills put forward by the ruling party the vote is being seen as a test of popularity of the president in which obvious heart is young halfassed has been following the poll in caracas. the sun rises to a contentious day here in caracas after months of intense campaigning and p.r. maneuvers from both sides penicillins from all over the country hit the polls to vote for the national assembly the obvious signs of election day paint the city. less traffic businesses closed down to accommodate voters the military is on hi

concluded israel's military broke international laws during the raid which left nine activists dad it also described the attack as brutal and disproportionate israel still claims the incident was self-defense and considers the turkish charity group which led the flotilla terrorist alang to hamas artie's post earlier reports. the pictures that catapulted a relatively little known him go on to the world stage in the world in which we live today where sympathizers or sympathize with them are also being called terrorists it's no wonder that i age is being accused in this way the turkish charity first popped up on the cia's radar four years ago it's been banned in israel in germany who say it strongly linked with hamas in gaza the last thing is my all humans would call him soft as a terrorist he's a father of three and says he boarded the ship for gaza for his three daughters in the gaza the children should have a right to live freely we want this so why join that organization if another event of this kind was organized i would go again sit up in the early ninety's to help bosnian muslims

israel has always preferred direct talks for any negotiations with the palestinians. israel apparently believes it will be better to take the initiative. >> reporter: proximity talks must lead to direct talks, as soon as possible. peace can't be made with distance or by remote control. we are neighbors of the palestinians and they are our neighbors. >> on the other hand, palestinian president mahmoud abbas has consistently rejected direct talks without a guaranteed total freeze on israeli settlement construction but it couldn't refuse any more as the arab league, which backs palestine endorsed the talk, as did the quartet on the middle east which consists of u.s., russia, the european union and united nations. >> and what can we expect from the talks? >> the overwhelming view is that there will be no major progress. there is too big a divide between the two sides on a mountain of issues, including the settlements and borders for future palestinian state. it is thought that israel will resume settlement construction after the ten-month moratorium expires on september 2

the more we talk about the blockade in on the gaza strip the more verses will be heard in israel. against the blockade this is ship which is not on the high sea on the way to gather the jewish boat it's not a small boat about ten meters long if. ten people on board including several of the israelis actually i wanted to draw into what about no place for be there. this ship is mainly. the two. make to point run that the blockade is illegal and should be abolished but also there are very many jewish people in israel and europe and on to rort who do not. brought this brocade old to want to call upon the israeli government to do it by the way. you may be interested to hear yesterday a new leader has been selected for the british labor party it really wasn't the mother of mr miliband is very active it's a jewish woman who is very active in the organization of solidarity for the palestinians and for the for blanket just broke aid well let's talk about israeli settlements now mr of mary we know that the israeli freeze on the construction settlements in the west bank stopped within the las

one of the settlers' strongest allies is israel's minister of infrastructure.e's with the nationalist yisrael beitenu party, a coalition partner in the government, though his views sound far more strident than official government pronouncements. uzi landau refers to the west bank by its biblical name, judea and samaria, and says it's an integral part of the jewish homeland. you've been quoted as calling arabs the occupiers. is that an accurate quote, and what did you mean? >> it is an absolutely accurate description. they are modern crusaders. this land has been always our land. this land -- so many occupiers. jews were driven out, many of them, during the roman period. they saw the iranians, the farsi, they saw the ottomans, they saw the arabs, they saw the british, the marmlukes, you name it. every occupier replaced the one and was replaced by the occupier that came after him. the arabs are one of the occupiers. they are living over there and they have and should have all the rights as a minority has in every democratic country. but we claim that this is our

i want israel as a home. have something -- i don't know if i can explain in to someone who was born in great britain. we never felt a solidity of the existence. i want to have it. i want to be rooted in my country with borders that are acknowledged by the arab countries. i want to have a feeling that i am having a future there. i am not sure about it. all these can be achieved only when israel has peace. only then should they be able to recover from the disease of our history. >> the peace process that has begun again, you think it is necessary. you sound hopeful. is that reasonable? >> we might be surprised, but i am not sure both our latest -- be israeli and palestinian leaders are courageous enough, at the steps needed in order to achieve a compromise. second, i feel even if peace comes today, in some aspect it comes too late. because options of brutality, content words with human life have been already ingrained in both people. after 100 years of fighting and killing, of not believing in the option of pea

aboard a boat sailing towards the gaza blockade say they expect israel to intercept them the campaign and say their objective is to show not all tourist people support their government's policy towards the palestinians that tends to deliver humanitarian aid comes almost four months after an israeli raid on another flotilla ended with nine acts of is being held the incident was condemned worldwide and labeled a brutal and disproportionate attack the jersey state still claims the incident was self-defense and considers the attack as charity group which led the effort to let terrorists links to her ass he's promising us to gates. the pictures that catapulted a relatively little known in gilo on to the world stage in the world in which we live today where sympathizers or sympathizer are also being called terrorists it's no wonder that i age is being accused in this way the turkish charity first popped up on the cia's radar for years ago it's been banned in israel in germany you say it strongly linked with a mosque in gaza the last thing is my ill humans would call him soft as a terrorist

nor i believe the ongoing investigation is nothing more than a yet another attack on israel. the human rights council held an emergency session only a day or two after the flotilla incident happened they declared israel guilty of quote an outrageous attack so the outcome was entirely pre-determined and this is not something that's exceptional in fact mary robinson who was the un rights chief said that the human rights council has a pattern of acting politically and not for human rights let's remember who the membership is saudi arabia china colonel qadhafi of libya is now a member of the human rights council this is not a body that cares about human rights this is a body that is political that is and gauged in a constant campaign to digitalize israel and human rights is the last thing on the minds of members like saudi arabia cuba and saudi and libya the human rights council as coffee and on said it is selective politicized and casts a shadow upon the reputation of the un as a whole. but the u.n. report a has its supporters to one of them is the israeli peace acts. which clai

calling on israel to join the n.p.t. would harm the peace process i guess this this this and this argument does not hold water that we and the arab world we believe that if israel would join the n.p.t. that would be proof that israel is the sincere in reaching peaceful peaceful settlement and living in peace and security with the arab countries a lot last year with the same proposal was passed at the i.a.e.a. why hasn't it put pressure on israel to join the nonproliferation treaty. would you would you be kind enough to carry the question madam all right last year the same resolution was passed now why hasn't it put pressure hasn't put pressure on israel to join the n.p.t. . well frankly personally speaking i expect for the foreseeable future that the nuclear agency in vienna. exert pressure. to join the n.p.t. . but we hope we hope that in the years to come the the. last of the western powers would adopt a more more forthcoming. attitude forthcoming position as far as the nuclear capabilities. are concerned all right now

in israel ots available in some hotel time periods in hotel jerusalem. everyone welcome back its home state the song takes the flow of the turmoil to china will triple by next year the talk at the bidding dissipate countries as they met to officially open paul taught them a mental state. as to were something to face like a gal's of the humanitarian mission to members of the ape to tell it to see it touched by israeli forces a bucket. on the side of pirates of rum shorts had to go officials in their school policy to campaign for the legalize it should all freeze sharing. eggs from talk to american public speaker john that has been. about the modernization of china having published many books about the country to explain how china has managed to reinvent itself in such a short time. thank you very much to you both for joining us now i'll start with you mr nesbitt now you first visited china about forty years ago and obviously a lot has changed now what is the post dramatic or surprising change that you've seen nineteen sixty seven when i first read there w

and israel preparing that. is to read a thread to which. with potentially vast reserves of oil and gas at stake moscow is hosting an international forum on the future of the arctic russia the us canada norway and denmark are all vying for the regions of mineral wealth scientists are also there warning of ecological damage and asking who would be responsible for protecting the fragile ecosystem. president dmitri medvedev who orders a ban on the supply of russian advanced air defense systems to iran moscow shelved the three hundred missile deal because it fell within the latest un sanctions on tehran washington strongly welcome to the move saying it demonstrates a high level of mutual cooperation on strategic interests and global security. and more cooperation is it visible at the u.n. summit in new york nato and russia say they've made real progress towards greater unity the two sides agreed to work together for better security in europe iran's nuclear program also came under scrutiny with u.n. security council members calling for tehran to

geishas to decided to key israel and the united nations each with the. pull. a moratorium on settlement construction in the west bank has expired in jerusalem the israeli government imposed a ten months ago as a move towards peace talks with palestinians but its lifting could derail current to go she a sions palestinian leaders have warned they'll pull out of u.s. sponsored talks currently under way if there is renewed building in the west bank jewish settlers in the area have celebrated the fans lifting by laying foundations for a new canon guard israeli government has ignored pleas from the international community to expand the moratorium in the light of the current peace talks earlier are god the views of palestinian rights activist. and a jewish settlers representative of harrow in jerusalem. first of all we need to keep on freezing after keep on freezing we have to get into serious negotiations in order to find a true true solution to the church disputing the list only after having sinned kind of two states for two nations solution in the land of israel a

josiah activists aboard a boat sailing towards the gaza blockade say they expect israel to intercept them a campaign to say their objective is to show not to support their government's policy towards the palestinians will be attempts to deliver humanitarian aid comes almost a full month fatah and israeli raid on another patella and with nothing activists being killed the incident was condemned worldwide and labeled a brutal and this proportionate attack the jewish state still claimed the incident was self-defense and considers the tigers charity which led the flotilla terrorists linked to hamas asses corless near investigates. the pictures that catapulted a relatively little known in go on to the world stage in the world in which we live today where sympathizers or sympathize with are also being called terrorists it's no wonder that i. is being accused in this way the turkish charity first popped up on the cia's radar four years ago it's been banned in israel in germany he states strongly linked with hamas in gaza the last thing is my illness would call him soft as a terrorist he's a

mr new writer had a commie says israel is trying to portray the group as a terrorist one in order to try and justify the deadly fratello grade in the immediate aftermath of world condemnation of what israel has done in these really is. mounted a defense which was you know we quite clever but not based on any on any facts it's now for the investigators to decide to a key israel and the united nations each with the only inquiry policia r t. a recent un report came to the conclusion that israel's military broke international laws now are to talk to u.n. watch a group that is part of the american jewish lobby monitors the activities of the u.n. it's exactly of director hill believes the ongoing investigation is nothing more than another attack on israel the human rights council held an emergency session only a day or two after the flotilla incident happened they declared israel guilty of quote an outrageous attack so the outcome was entirely pre-determined and this is not something that's exceptional in fact mary robinson who was the un rights chief said that the human rights council has

israel will give up territory, the palestinians will give up the right of return, israel give up holdingo all of jerusalem, the palestinians will grant israel some security on the jordan border that is what work with the egypt negotiations. there is a framework between israel and egypt were afterwards the lawyers worked out details. that is exactly what is necessary here. it is an end to the conflict it i think that is the right structure and i think it is the right approach. the problem is that the israelis are ready. netanyahu is ready but whether any palestinian leader will sign the agreement, i doubt it. >> it is the question but i give mahmoud abbas great credit for putting that together. that is his own political future. he is possibly putting his own life on the library also give, reluctantly, mr. netanyahu credit. when the terrorist attack occurred and four israelis were killed, that in the past would have been the excuse for ending talks. the fact that he went beyond that and said the talks and the and the mission is the most important, i think that says the seriousness of this

in order to get israel into a real peace within a few years we have until israel maybe maybe losing. weight will you and harold you to meet say do exist that was a beggar we know that your organization is planning a rally after the moratorium what are you protesting against first of all you are protesting for protesting for a better me list for a better israel and for a better power stein right now we are protesting against keep on building into settlements because we simply believe that keep keep on building in a settlement as just faces of. yes get to the garbage. negotiation we have started. now you know some some people have criticized the palestinians for having wasted they set a ten month moratorium in that they haven't really focused enough attention on the skull thing. cease in the building and that they they have wasted petang do you think that they could have done more in terms of reaching as a shared solution cheering this period obviously it. has issues of his own we don't think that there weren't enough to peace and get done in the definitely not doing enough. to get dis

aid flotilla this follows a un report accusing israel of willful killings and the brutality. and a new political movement in russia is campaigning on a pledge to decriminalize internet piracy and get rid of its negative image the group is following its european comrades by setting up an official political party . well our debate show cross talk is next it's where people of als guests lock horns and butt heads on the issue of illegal immigration in europe and the united states enjoy. nineteen thirty nine women friends try to reason with hitler's germany demands or doesn't mind and gets its way.

the legal defense and indeed the defense that israel develop nuclear weapons a while ago is hardly a defense in terms of justice and understanding the i.a.e.a. is hands are tied here because the i.a.e.a. is there to reinforce the obligations of nonproliferation treaty member states israel is not a member of the nonproliferation treaty has no obligation as such to open its facilities to the agency and so it's very difficult for the agency to oblige israel to take part of course israel's use of the nonproliferation treaty to try to to try to put pressure on on iran is is quite extraordinary given that it's not a member itself and has not and has not accepted its obligations. it's reagan's general election the center right ruling coalition the social democrats. but fell three seats short of an outright majority the far right party sweden democrats which urges limits on immigration and took part in the first time some of their candidates said they were attacked and denied freedom of speech before sunday's poll michael jensen a member of the danish part of the mint for the liberal party s

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or our over israel's nuclear activities is expected to dominate this year's general conference of the international atomic energy agency which is opened in vienna arab countries have proposed a resolution on israel's nuclear program but the u.s. and e.u. member states are against it saying it could undermine middle east peace talks well paul ingram of the british american security information council says israel is using double standards on the issue of nonproliferation. israel has believed to be anywhere between eighty and two hundred nuclear weapons already and we believe a development program for fusion nuclear weapons and submarine base launched their weapons as well as the existing air launched nuclear weapons and missile. warheads on missiles it's a very substantial but well developed nuclear arsenal that has been in israel's possession since we believe the late one nine hundred sixty s. so yes on the surface it is a very double double standard the israelis and the americans would point to the fact that the iranians have made a very public commitment in the nonproliferation trea