palestinian threat to go to the u.n. and declare a state through the u.n. and israeli public is united behind whatever he was saying about the jewish state and about ability to make compromises as long as palestinians get rid of hamas government and recognize israel as a jewish state. the problem is that there is no palestinian partner for that message. that the palestinian president mahmoud abbas only last week publickished op ed in the "new york times" which was also very strong for domestic consumption. but very uncompromising for any deal with israel. and as we see both these leaders gathering domestic support for some inevitable conflict that is down the road. we saw president obama spoke a lot about negotiations, but had no clear beyond laying framework for what to negotiate about, no clr strategyor going forward, no new envoy to replace ougoin george mitchell. basically nothing. only to give him something to tell the europeans while it's there to get them vicious em not to support recognition. he said some settlement that was not bei owe be part of israel. but a

states steps in, outlines a whole package, the world community then endorses it majorities of israelis and palestinians endorse it, which they would if the united states did it, and there's kind of worldwide momentum towards it. and it's not good enough to say that the issue of the israeli entitlement to security and the issue of palestinian entitlement to status d rights has to be resolved by then. one has to add to it there's a third interest involved cheer the president should express explicitly: the u.s. national interest. if this issue is not constructively resold with our he-- which means leadership-- our national interest in the middle east will be and is becoming in jeopardy. >> one country that wasn't mentioned in the speech but obviously isrucial in terms of u.s. interests in the region, where the region is going is saudi arabia. and i'd be very curious what you think about the ate of u.s./saudi relations. whether there's a danger there. the saudis are advertising every way they can how unhappy they are about the u.s. abandoning president mubarak and egypt. they're sending emissaries to china

choose the creation of an independent palestinian state through resolving the israeli palestinian conflict and of course the palestinian leadership to enjoy the support of the palestinians during negotiations unity is important for any nation and is even more important for the palestinian people who are working towards a fair solution to create their own state borders with decisions of the un the middle east quartet and the arab peace initiative. this. time hamas are planning to take this matter to you one in september and their representatives i've already said russia has promised its support well iraq obama has also explained his vision of the israeli palestinian peace process but he took care to remain cautious didn't heed. this all this new has been going on for many decades and you know it became pretty clear that the international community including the middle east quartet they support the idea to state solution meaning that israel and palestine should be two separate independent countries and just recently u.s. president barack obama said that the border is the. future independent

according to others are not so we head for the association of palestinian journalists he says he wishes he had the kind of cash the israelis had to train palestinians to. brush up on the knowledge of we completely and there's a big expansion in the israeli palestinian conflict will be forced on the pages of wiki pedia these really control the online media they control words like terrorists islamic jihad we need trainers and finance to get it and interpret we p.d.f. as well but these were completely experts say it has nothing to do with training and everything to do with the truth i think people should stick to the truth and not try to learn how to put of their point of view in the wikipedia article i mean if you have sources just bring them on but in this wall every bush of ammunition counts it's no secret that the revolutions sweeping the arab world found their support online hundreds of thousands of people signed up on a facebook page calling for a third palestinian uprising or into fodder that page has since been closed down for inciting violence but the fight online continues policy our team. i just only twenty minutes

>> i failed to get a peace agreement from the israelis and palestinians, but so has anyone else who's ever tried. since israel was createde've had 10 presidents and 19 secretaries of state, there have been many israeli prime ministers and everybody has tried to do it and no one has succeeded. well in that sense you can say, yes, we've failed to get a peace agreement and the consequence is a serious one. on the other hand, we did make significant progress. first we did get the parties together, albeit for a very brief period of time. charlie, recall if you will the circumstances on the day the president announced my appointment. the gaza conflict had just ended. the hostility between the two parties was extremely high. the mistrust, the hatred, even. israel was in the middle of an election campaign. we didn't know who the government would be at that time. the election wasn't held until february the government didn't take power until the first of april and wasn't ready to tal to us until may. the palestinians have been through aurbulent time. anher thing we've done is to dramatically im

the inbat to play a positive role in helping bring together palestinians and israelis and the creation o a palestinian state that provides the necessary security for israel? >> you can make two arguen'tings one is value-based, one is specifically interest-based. interest-based. this region is one in which a majority of the proven oil reserves... or a large portion of the proven oil reserves in the world exist. and our economy runs on petroleum. our economies to wm we export things run on petroleum and a massive conflict disrupting the flow of oil to the world would have very severe negative consequences for our economy and for those countries with whom we trade and if you think gas at $3.75 a gallon or $4 a gallon is bad-- which it is very bad, just imagine what would happen if there were a conflict that disrupted supply from one, two, or three of the really major suppliers, the saudis, the iranians, others inhe region. so that's a very serious matter of our practical interest, assuring a continuing supply of oil and if a conflict breaks out in the middle east, you can't tell what will

>> i and you -- >> the israeli palestinian peace process is as dead as its can be john. benjamin netanyahu in effect just trashed the obama suggestion. frankly, i think obama's been grossly misrepresented and he said obviously we started the boardede and there's going to be -- borders and there's going to be swaps of lands. but benjamin netanyahu said we're going to keep troops in the jordan valley and we've got facts on the ground which means the settlements quite frankly john, there's no basis in what netanyahu said and laid down as his conditions that the palestinians or the arabs can accept as a peace. so what we're doing is we're headed straight for the u. n., general assembly in september where the hamas combination, palestinian government, i think will be seated as the government of the state of palestine. >> well, we don't want that. we don't want that. you know that? >> president obama will oppose it in the general assembly and in the security council, he will, but an overwhelming majority including most of americans will support it. >> eleanor? >> that's right.

any military operation that any side launched during the history of the conflict but both israelis and palestinians complain their side of the story is not properly covered and that's why not to these initial council that represents the israeli settler movement has been organizing workshops to teach people how to post who advise and even rewrite some of the most disputed pages online what we do is we monitor our various media outlets and when we see for example that a certain media calls israel an apartheid then we send our people to engage in discussion and to give the facts but the palestinians have a list people to send in which is why the battlefield is not equal according to others are not so who heads the association of palestinian journalists he says he wishes he had the kind of cash the israelis have to train palestinians to brush up on their knowledge of wikipedia later that external in the israeli palestinian conflict will be forced on the pages of wikipedia the israelis control the online media they control words like terrorist jihad we trainers and finance we can edit and interpret wiki

>> i and you -- >> the israeli palestinian peace process is as dead as its can be john. benjamin netanyahu in effect just trashed the obama suggestion. frankly, i think obama's been grossly misrepresented and he said obviously we started the boardest and there's going to be -- borders and there's going to be swaps of lands. but benjamin netanyahu said we're going to keep troops in the jordan valley and we've got facts on the ground which means the settlements quite frankly john, there's no basis in what netanyahu said and laid down as hithat the palestinians or the arabs can accept as a peace. so what we're doing is we're headed straight for the u. n., general assembly in september where the hamas combination, palestinian government, i think will be seated as the government of the state of palestine. >> well, we don't want that. we don't want that. you know that? >> president obama will oppose it in the general assembly and in the security council, he will, but an overwhelming majority including most of americans will support it. >> eleanor? >> that's right. the u. n. wi

we always hear, if we just can go back to the peace process and get the israelis and palestinians talking as they did when you talk been -- itzyak rabin was on the scene. during the time we live there, the psychological landscape between the israelis and palestinians changed to such a degree. you need to come at the problem with a new perspective as to how both sides were changed. >> -- host: what did they not understand about the conflict that you think they should understand, given that you were on the ground? guest: the way these issues have become more difficult. the economies were very much integrated. israelis and palestinians could travel back and forth. every day, palestinians were like commuters. they would come to work in israel and go home at the end of the day. israel is would go to the west bank. there was economic integration to a degree. the kinds of segregation and divisions have become much more permanent and locked in place. these will be hard to reverse. you just cannot go back a decade and dust off the old plan. host: when you first arrive, was it that sparked the decl

we see that spirit in the sketh father whose son was killed by hamas who brought together palestinians and israelisfather said i gradually realized that the only hope for progress was to recognize the face of the conflict. we see it in the actions of a palestinian who lost three daughters to israeli shells in gaza. i have the right to feel angry, he said. so many people were expecting me to hate. my answer to them is, i shall not hate. let us hope, he said, for tomorr tomorrow. that is the choice that must be made. not simply in the israeli-palestinian conflict, but across the entire region. a choice between hate and hope, between the shackles of the past and the promise of the future. it is a choice that must be made by leaders and by the people, and it is a choice that will define the future of a region that served as the cradle of civilization and a crucible of strife. for all of the challenges that lie ahead we see many reasons to be hopeful. in egypt we see it in the efforts of young people who led protests, in syria we see it in the courage of those who brave bullets while chanting peaceful.

equal according to abbott are not so who heads the association of palestinian journalists he says he wishes he had the kind of cash the israelis have to train palestinians to brush up on their knowledge of we can. expect when the israeli palestinian conflict will be forced on the pages of wikipedia the israelis control the online media they control words like terrorist islamic jihad we trainers and finance we can immediately interpret wiki pedia as well. but these were competing experts say it has nothing to do with training and everything to do with the truth i think people should stick to the truth and not try to learn how to put their point of view you know we can give you an article i mean if you have sources just bring them on but in this war every push of ammunition counts it's no secret that the revolutions sweeping the arab world found their support online hundreds of thousands of people signed up on a facebook page calling for third palestinian uprising or into florida that page has since been closed down for inciting violence but the fight online continues policy r.t. . despite washington's intensified efforts to bri

just in years to brush up on their knowledge of wikipedia and later did external in the israeli palestinian conflict will be forced on the pages of wikipedia the israelis control the online media they control words like terrorist islamic jihad we need trainers and finance so we can immediately interpret wiki pedia as well but these were completely experts say it has nothing to do with training and everything to do with the truth i think people should stick to the truth and not try to learn how to put their point of view you know a computer an article i mean if you have sources just bring them on but in this wall every bush of ammunition counts it's no secret that the revolution is a sweeping the arab world found support for online hundreds of thousands of people signed up on a facebook page calling for a third palestinian uprising or intifada that page has since been closed down for inciting violence but the fight on line continues policy our team. despite washington's in terms of wide efforts to bring the palestinians and israelis to the negotiating table the two sides find themselves no c

it's genius to brush up on the knowledge of wikipedia and illicit expansion in the israeli palestinian conflict will be forced on the pages of wikipedia the israelis control the online media they control words like terrorist islamic jihad we need trainers and finance so we can interpret we keep p.d.f. as well put these wikipedia experts say it has nothing to do with training and everything to do with the truth i think people should stick to the truth and not try to learn how to. put their point of view in the wikipedia article i mean if you have sources just bring them on but in this wall every push of ammunition counts it's no secret that the revolutions sweeping the arab world found their support online hundreds of thousands of people signed up in a facebook page calling for a third palestinian uprising or into fodder that page or something close down for inciting violence but the fight online continues policy our team ramallah. sour twenty minutes past the hour here in the russian capital let's check out some of the headlines for you i'm free from around the world and france is a fi

obama made headlines on the long-stalled israeli/palestinian peace process. ad strong words for the palestinians and their diplomatic campaign at the u.n. >> for the palestinians, efforts to delegitimize israel will end in failure. symbolic actions to isolate israel at the united nations in september won't create an independent state. >> woodruff: but for the first time, he endorsed a key palestinian demand. the borders of israel and palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. the palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state. >> woodruff: the president also offered strong support for israel. >> our commitment to israel's security is unshakeable. and we will stand against attempts to single it out for criticism in international forums. but precisely because of our friendship, it is important that we tell the truth: the status quo is unsustainable, and israel too must act boldly to advan

because this is if you choose the creation of an independent palestinian state to resolving the israeli palestinian conflict and of course the palestinian leadership to enjoy the support of palestinians during negotiations unity is important for any nation and is even more important for the palestinian people who are working towards a fair solution to create their own state in accordance with decisions of the u.n. the middle east quartet and the arab peace initiative. fatah and hamas say they are planning to take the matter of an independent palestine to the u.n. in september and their representatives have said that russia has reportedly promised its support on this issue. the u.s. president barack obama has also come out to explain whose version of where the israeli palestinian peace process should be moving but he also took care to remain cautious in haiti. well this whole do stude obviously has been going on for decades and it's pretty clear now that the international community including the quartet supports only one solution and that is where israel and palestine become two independent states a

but there were no new things going on with the palestinian- israeli conflict. bettis and they did already two years ago. -- that is something he already did 2 years ago. of course his speech about how he wants to get president assad to step aside -- there are no concrete steps. >> but obama did make several concrete proposals for egypt. >> this is something, in the coffee shop, this was the main thing that was seen as a positive thing in his speech. he was talking about the egyptian debt and the money the arab regimes -- having all the arab states bringing it back. there were tangible things in his speech and positive. >> thank you very much. we now go to jerusalem to our correspondent there. obama of's speech came a day after the israeli prime minister is expected in washington. what is your reaction? >> the one thing that raised eyebrows in israel is that president obama referred to the 1967 peace lines as possible borders for a future palestinian state. this was received very negatively. president netanyahu rejected this in a statement tonight before he left

but i'm convinced that the majority of israelis and palestinians would rather look to the future than be trapped in the past. we see that spirit in the israeli father whose son was killed by hamas, who helped start an organization that brought together israelis and palestinians who had lost loved ones. that father said, "i gradually realized that the only hope for progress was to recognize the face of the conflict." we see it in the actions of a palestinian who lost three daughters to israeli shells in gaza. "i have the right to feel angry," he said. "so many people were expecting me to hate. my answer to them is i shall not hate. let us hope," he said, "for tomorrow." that is the choice that must be made -- not simply in the israeli-palestinian conflict, but across the entire region -- a choice between hate and hope, between the shackles of the past and the promise of the future. it's a choice that must be made by leaders and by the people, and it's a choice that will define the future of a region that served as the cradle of civilization and a crucible of strife. for all the challen

then thor issues, the return of refugees and the other issues regarding the israeli/palestinian conflictey should be settled later. and that's generally not acceptable for the majority of israelis. >> you know, matthew, it is interesting to me as an observer, and you have watched this so closely over a long period of time, that we have a lot of discussion about the relationship between the prime minister and the president. i can tell you from having spoken with both of them about each other that it does not seem to be particularly warm. and i'm wondering if people there have any sense of whether the personal relationship between these two men is any better or any worse than previous administrations, both israeli or american. >> reporter: i think there's a general sense. whether this is true or not, i don't know, but there's certainly a general sense in israel and elsewhere that there is an iciness, if you will, between the two leaders, these two key figures, the president of the united states, the prime minister of israel. an iciness that didn't exist in the past between other u.s. presi

finally, we discussed the issue of a prospective peace between israelis and palestinians. and i reiterated and we discussed in depth the principles that i laid out yesterday -- the belief that our ultimate goal has to be a secure israeli state, a jewish state, living side by side in peace and security with a contiguous, functioning and effective palestinian state. obviously there are some differences between us in the precise formulations and language, and that's going to happen between friends. but what we are in complete accord about is that a true peace can only occur if the ultimate resolution allows israel to defend itself against threats, and that israel's security will remain paramount in u.s. evaluations of any prospective peace deal. i said that yesterday in the speech, and i continue to believe it. and i think that it is possible for us to shape a deal that allows israel to secure itself, not to be vulnerable, but also allows it to resolve what has obviously been a wrenching issue for both peoples for decades now. i also pointed out, as i said in the speech yester

they wanted a concrete plan of action to advance on the israeli/palestinian front. they didn't think they heard anything new, frankly, brian. >> and andrea mitchell in washington, understandable, i'm guessing, you're going to report kind of a different view. >> reporter: the white house view is there's a grim landscape right now for accomplishing anything on the peace front. egypt brokered the deal between the palestinian government and hamas declaring hamas part of the talks, and hamas is an enemy of israel. they won't recognize israel's right to exist. george mitchell, the middle east negotiator has quit. so one argument would be why take the political heat to launch something now that's not going to go anywhere? that said, the president is under a lot of pressure from saudi arabia and jordan to do something. the region is in turmoil, so he did take one new step. he explicitly called on israel to withdraw to it original borders before it won the 1967 war or give up some of their land in exchange. land swaps have been suggested before, but not those explicit border

the war in the middle east moves from the front lines to online as palestinians and israelis clash over a fast song we can pedia. it is eight am in the russian capital you're watching r t with me arena joshie welcome to the program warm greetings and a royal bank rate in the opulent surroundings of buckingham palace britain as well and truly rolled out the red carpet for barack obama designed to affirm the so-called special relationship between the two nations all eyes remain on longdon for the second day of the u.s. president's state visit which will see talks on middle east violence that's amid increasing calls for obama and british pm david cameron to overcome their addiction to war games. all smiles and handshakes as the u.k. and the u.s. take their special relationship to the next level washington's preparing to open up its highly secretive national security council to london as the two countries pledged to deal jointly with perceived security and foreign policy challenges but at what cost to the rest of the world i don't think it will change foreign policy in any dramatic way reme

nora erekat human rights attorney and activist she told me she believes palestinians are ready to accept the existence of an israeli state as long as israel is willing to comply with international law. as seals are ready to live with any israel that is compliant with international law and human rights norms palestinians are interested in co-existing with their neighbors as equals and that's been the stumbling block so as occupying power israel has relegated its own palestinian citizens it's wrong jewish the new citizens to second class status as a first column and as an occupier it's relegated those civilians and your occupation as persona non-grata as they're not afforded any nationality any rational rights denial of human rights and it affords those refugees were denied the right to return to israel basically a life in exile and so palestinians are looking for an israel that's ready to recognize that it is subject to ensure national law and human rights norms like is every other country that can be held to account let's talk about that i mean a few different things first of all let's talk about president obama he

the israelis are surrounded, there is massive support for the palestinians for peaceful change and theres an arab peace plan on the table. this is the moment when netanyahu -- i don't think he can do it but some israeli leader must see the light and say we've got to do a radical change that secures the right of the israelis as they see it for their jewish majority state and secures the palestinian rights. an f.w. declercq or what happened in northern ireland. there is a peace plan. it can be done. it needs courageous leadership and breaking away from all the failed policies of the past represented by, now, the resignation of george mitchell to recognize the palestinian rights and israeli rights can be reconciled in two adjacent states that require from each the critical element that each wants. the israelis need to be recognized as a majority jewish state with arab citizens that can live in peace in the region and the palestinians must have their refugeehood recognized and resolved according to the law and u.n. resolutions and a negotiated resolution according to existing law. it can be

the war in the middle east moves from the front line to online is palestinians and israelis clash over facts on wikipedia. and in business when russia is starting to recover the world still faces an economic crisis join me for that story and more on business and around twenty minutes time. is one pm in the russian capital you're watching our team with new arena joshie welcome to the program warm greetings and other war banquet in the opulent surroundings of buckingham palace britain has well and truly rolled out the red carpet for barack obama designed to affirm the so-called special relationship between the two nations as the u.s. president gets down to official business calls for both bamma and cameron over comedy or addiction to war games are only increasing his war and it has more. holes. all smiles and handshakes as the u.k. and the u.s. take their special relationship to the. next level washington's preparing to open up its highly secretive national security council to london as the two countries pledged to deal jointly with perceived security and foreign policy challenges but wh

. >> mitchell: the israelis have spoken, the palestinians have now spoken. what does this say to you about president obama's plan as he outlined it on thursday? is it already dead in the water? >> i don't think, russ, the president's plan is dead at all. it just means that in the 63rd year of divisions between the palestinians and israelis, this is very tough going. you saw the president give a very forthright speech the other day where he explained the importance of the united states supporting transformation in the arab world, but also of trying to give some momentum to the israeli/palestinian peace negotiations. there were elements of it that the palestinians were weren't happy with. there were lots of elements the israelis weren't happy with. that might mean the president is where he should be, the mediator. he needs to be objective and stand between these two parties to try to move them forward. >> mitchell: let's go back to the photo op from yesterday, a frosty photo-op it was. as someone involved in these i high-level talks before, what are you seeing

the war in the middle east moves from the front line to online as palestinians and israelis clash oh we're fatsos with a p.d.f. . and the effects of europe's debt crisis as shown here in russia opening bell so both russian markets opening in the red after tuesday's rally join me for this story and more on business and around twenty minutes time. what margi coming here live from moscow eleven am here on marina joshua welcome to the program warm greetings and a royal banquet in the opulent surroundings of buckingham palace brayden house well and truly rolled out the red carpet for barack obama designed to affirm the so-called special relationship between the two nations all eyes remain on london for the second day of the u.s. president's state visit which will see talks on middle east violence that's amid increasing calls for obama and british pm david cameron to overcome their addiction to war games. all smiles and handshakes as the u.k. and the u.s. take their special relationship to the next level washington's preparing to open up its highly secretive national security council to lo

to tinker with obama's comments on the israeli palestinian borders and israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu insisted that returning to pre-one nine hundred sixty seven lines and make it impossible to protect israel i don't there are a professor of international relations at york university says the u.s. presidents and their concrete proposals for the peace process sixty four percent of the american public support israel and in an election campaign year no president is going to ignore what the american public wants and wants to see happen so he is not going to go into details about what is required what is going to grow but i think he would be talking in general terms about the need for a two state solution but they need to compromise on both sides there but they need to. be expression of settlement but he would not be willing for that matter to draw any specific roadmap as to how to go about to achieve these objectives we have to be clear here you know when you see when the palestinians look at the whole arab world and see their counterpart rising against their own government they

closest ally in the weekend and he could send shock waves throughout the whole region on the israeli palestinian issue and that part of the speech was very much anticipated obama pushed harder for the israelis to make concessions. to stop building settlements at least he suggested israel go back to pre nine hundred sixty seven border line and that would mean there what happens is giving up completely the west bank is sure slim and i gather strange. he was very careful to say that the us is soley an advisor here and cleared washington and basically of any responsibility to act there have been words before but never any action to really push for the two state solution solution that president obama was talking about the fact that israel is the protectorate of the united states and the israeli lobby is very powerful here makes it even harder to extract a balanced approach from washington. obama's comments of the israeli palestinian borders angered israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu insisted that returning to preven nine hundred sixty seven war lines would make it impossible to protect israel

the war in the middle east moves from the front line into online palestinians and israelis clash over facts on the computer. time after some hot tempered debate over the ongoing palestinian israeli conflict with the people of l. ike his cross talk casts. choppers come to moscow with josh ford's digitized radar upgraded to an automated guided by gyroscopes propelled by power flew engines russian motors ready to move. the future. you can. follow and welcome to cross talk i'm peter lavelle cox before more talks u.s. president barack obama's most recent attempt to broker a peace settlement between israel and the palestinians halted only hours after it was announced israel and its allies in the u.s. made it clear that they will have a say when it comes to the terms and conditions of any negotiations is obama's peace ideas already dead on arrival. can. you cross talk the peace process i'm joined by my guest in washington daniel pollack he is co-director of government relations for the zionist organization of america we also have hussein he is the author of the english blog calm and calm thi