issa wanted. he will brief issa what is in the documents but before he actually hands them over he will want some assurances from chairman issa about the contempt vote. mr. issa said the contempt vote will go forward unless he gets the documents and they're satisfactory. so the two men to some extent appear to be at impasse on that. we will have more information coming up shortly. i want to tell you about this as well. these two men, congressman issa and attorney general holder are not known for having the best of relationships. they have repeatedly butted heads during congressional hearings. this is one recent example. >> i want to ask you first of all today, have you and your attorneys produced internally the materials responsive to the subpoenas? >> we believe that we have responded to the subpoenas. >> no, mr. attorney general, you're not a good witness. a good witness answers the question asked. so let's go back again. megyn: that was just a short clip of many back and forths between the two

holder offered congressman issa a deal, saying that he wants an assurance from mr. issa that the transfer of those records that he had requested would satisfy a subpoena from the house oversight and government reform committee. mr. issa rejected, apparently, that deal and so here we are on capitol hill, moving ahead with this hearing to consider contempt charges. after that meeting yesterday, attorney general holder held a briefing with reporters to discuss what took place. >> good afternoon. the deputy attorney general and i came here today in good faith in an attempt to resolve the ongoing dispute that we have with the committee and with chairman issa. we have made to date available an unprecedented number of documents, really inconsistent with the way in which the justice department has looked at many of these matters in the past. we've provided deliberative materials to the committee. we laid out a plan that might resolve this matter. we have offered to make materials available, documents available in the period from february to december of 2011 to brief on thos

and so -- with regard to issa, it's always his way or the highway.hat's what this boils down to. >> that's how the republicans have been acting since this president took the oath of office. >> and keep in mind something else, ed. this started under the bush administration. and the same people that were running it under bush in the phoenix office are the same folks that tried to run it with regards to this attorney general, under this attorney general, when this attorney general holder found out about it, he immediately stopped it. and ordered an investigation. >> i notice you're at the white house tonight. i understand there's a bipartisan picnic going on. >> yes. >> i understand that all of the key players are there. >> yes. >> what's that atmosphere like? >> you would think everything was going well. you have issa, you have boehner, you have the attorney general, the president. you would not think that we were in the kind of situation we're going to find ourselves in now and tomorrow. >> yet tomorrow they're on the verge of doing something very emb

issa, seek recognition? mr. issa: mr. speaker, by the direction of the committee on rules, i call up house resolution 711. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the resolution. the clerk: house resolution 711, resolution recommending that the house of representatives find eric h. holder jr., attorney general, u.s. department of justice, in contempt of congress for refusal to comply with a subpoena duly issued by the committee on oversight and government reform. . the speaker pro tempore: the resolution is considered as read and shall be debatable for 50 minutes equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking member of the committee on oversight and government reform, or their designee. after debate on the resolution, it shall be in oinary to consider a motion to refer, if offered, by the gentleman from michigan, mr. dingell, or his designee, which shall be debatable for 10 minutes equally divided by a proponent or opponent. the gentleman from california, mr. issa, and gentleman from maryland,

darrell issa moments ago.ad, about a 20-minute meeting with the attorney general. and the deputy attorney general. to summarize he came with an offer of a briefing. we went through the process of what was being offered and responded as i think we have to. which is that the document that they may choose to given the future, we need to have before tomorrow. the documents necessary to cause postponement appear to be in their position. we are hoping we have them tonight. if we evaluate them partially it will give us grounds to negotiate postponement and possible resolution. >> eric: summarizing, darrell issa came out of the meeting what eric holder said if d.o.j. gives us the documents they may postpone but as of now, still no documents. no word whether or not they'll get him. quick thought before we turn to greg? >> bob: go home early and go to bed. not getting them. >> eric: at all. >> bob: not all of them. >> eric: it will come for a vote. >> bob: he wants a vote. >> andrea: i don't think he wants a vote. >> bo

issa: mr. speaker, this is the refusal of turning over documents, not whether or not it was his lieutenants or he who was involved in fast and furious. with that i'd like to recognize the distinguished former chairman of the judiciary committee, the gentleman from wisconsin, mr. sensenbrenner, for two minutes. thspeaker pro tempore: the gentleman from wisconsin is recognized for two minutes. mr. sensenbrenner: mr. speaker, this isn't about politics. this is about th constitution. and it's about congress' map date to do oversight -- mandate to do oversight over both executive and judicial branches of government. the president is asserting executive privilege to attempt to shield these documents. and he is relying on a type of primpling called the deliberative process privilege. however, that privilege disappears when congress' investigating evidence of wrongdoing. and in 1997 the u.s. court of appeals for the district of columbia circuit wrote in part, moreover, the privilege disappears altogeth

>> there's a lack of leadership on darrell issa's part.in key players to testify in front the committee. it's not a fair investigation. >> if you wanted to talk about illegal firearms, that's one thing, but that's not what this whole mess has turned out to be right now. that's not why the attorney general is being held in contempt. we have to get that issue. >> why is he being held to contempt? >> all the complaints about the program which are justifiable investigations he resolved. >> they should resolve those. >> the family of the dead agents deserves answers. >> as to whether or not there was any sort of conversation to cover up the inepitudes. >> at that point the program was terminated. why is it necessary to dig into information. if you want to find out what's going on, look at the program. we're doing that. let's talk to the people from the atf and the agents and talk to the past attorney general. they're not offering to do that. >> how unusual is it, katherine, that the head of a committee has banned people from coming in to talk a

chairman issa virtually admitted that in the clip you just showed. he said, oh, it's not about going to contempt, it's about, quote, getting more cooperation from the attorney general. the documents subpoenaed pertain to ongoing criminal investigations or part of a fishing expedition to see if there's anything there. and what's really important i think to know here, the american people must think fast and furious is all about stone throwing between republicans and democrats. i bet you the 99.9% wouldn't know what fast and furious was all about. so i would like a minute on that. because this is a double tragedy. the first and foremost, by far, tragedy, was the killing of an agent, a border control agent when some guns kept coming from the united states. the second tragedy, to be sure not nearly as tragic, but it's important to understand, the bush and the obama administration felt compelled to use what are called gun walking tactics. because they -- that is to say, trying to let the guns go in a sting operation because the republicans bought and paid

chairman issa speaking here. we just heard from james clyburn who says that this program started under the previous administration and he is wondering why the records that have been requested are not going further back from this chairman. what's your reaction to that? >> is that question to me? >> yes, sir, it is. >> well, this may shock you. i actually would agree with anyone who wants all the information irrespective of which administration it starred under. i made that point when we marked up the reasonable contempt of congress. i don't care if it's republicans, whigs, wide receivers, gun walking is wrong no matter which administration did it. i am happy to have all of the information dating back as far as back as anyone wants to go. that doesn't eliminate the immediate conundrum that we have which is that we have an subpoena which has not been complied with. >> if that is true, why then is chairman issa and perhaps other colleagues of yours in the republican party not at least following or saying those words,

they are moving the whole stadium. >> issa investigation is a joke.ean, a complete farce. >> that's not what congressman issa says. he is grand instant standing that committee. >> all you have to do is read the -- some of the fool facts and you will recognize this is a presents toterrous -- hung it all on the -- their main witness is the only person in this whole thing who is truly at fault. if you get -- tray to get to the bottom of it as "fortune" did. what this does show is there was bad management and at the justice department and at the atf. unwielding bureaucracy is at the route of a lot of this and shoddy journalism on the part of cbs news. so there's plenty of blame to go around. as for the -- administration's reaction, it makes it seem that by claiming executive privilege they have somehow done something out of watergate. this has been claimed many times by many presidents, including ronald reagan. >> this is -- first time the president -- >> this is not such a dramatic thing for them to do. these administrations, right or wrong, do not want

issa: mr. speaker, point of inquiry, do i have the right to close? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california has the right to close. mr. issa: i reserve my right to close. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from maryland. mr. cummings: do you have any more speakers? mr. issa: no, i do not. mr. cummings: mr. speaker, as the democratic leader said, there's no doubt that the constitution gives congress the right and responsibility to investigate, but the constitution also requires something else. it requires congress and the executive branch to avoi unnecessary confli and deceit, accommodations that serve both of their interests. in this case the attorney general has testified nine times. he's provided thousands of pages of documents. he's provided 13 pages of deliberative internal document and he's willing to provide even more to meet the recent demands of chairman issa. but house republican leaders are not honoring their constitutional obligations. in fact, they are running in t

here is issa on fox in december. let's listen. >> very clearly, they made a crisis and they are using this crisis as somehow to take away or limit people's second amendment rights. >> absolutely pandering there. crazy pandering. conspiracy theory cooked up by issa and nra so far-fetched colbert, the insanity with this explanation. let's listen. >> very clearly, themade a crisis and they are using this crisis to somehow take away or limit people's second amendment rights. >> yes. very clearly. obama started this gun tracking program in 2006 when he hypnotized george bush and had holder to order the justice department to order the atf to order gun shops to sell guns to mexican drug cartels and then lose track of them. panicking americans to get support the draconian gun control measures that obama has never introduced. >> can't say it bet are myself. house speaker boehner won't support this conspiracy nut case stuff. he was asked for evidence that fast and furious was all a plot to create a gun control initiative here

>> well, i think we begin exactly where darrell issa is taking his committee today.tempt of congress. it is time for the voice of congress to be heard, but also the voice of the american people. and, martha, think about this. if this were the previous president the left and the media would be bouncing off the walls with anger. but somehow this president gets a pass on something that is truly just outrageous. his repeated attacks on the constitution whether it be last friday's order on the immigration, saying, just don't follow the law, or now i'm going to declare executive privilege and not deliver the documents darrell issa and the committee is asking for. martha: you talked about the proper use of executive privilege and i was just talking to stev steve hayes moments ago and he brought up vice president cheney saeugt energy meetings at the white house fell under that, that he didn't have to release the names of who participated in those meetings because of executive privilege. don't think the other side would assert that that was also not an accurate use of it, per

we'll talk to darrell issa and cummings. the top democrat. what can be done to boost domestic production. we'll ask t.boone pickens who has a new plan. and all of washington is wondering what the supreme court will do about obama care. what does it mean for your health care and the november election? all right now on "fox news sunday". and hello again from fox news in washington. the showdown over the box gun trafficking operation known as fast and furuous escalated with the president exerting executive privilege and the house committee voting to attorney general holder is in contempt of congress. joining us is darrell issa for the house committee . elijah cummings. assuming there is no deal over the documents congressman issa will the house vote to hold attorney general holder in contempt. >> yes, i believe it will. >> chris: you are saying it is bipartisan. >> there are 31 who wrote to the administration asking them to be forth coming and many of them will stay with us now that the administration has not been. >> chris: no doubt in your min

issa knows that. he knows that. and let me finish. and 1300 pages of documents delivered had already been presented to us by mr. holder. those, we have gotten those . all of the attorney general asked for and i sat in a meet he simply with mr. issa and he simply said look, i am willing to turn over documents, but just give me some you know, assurances that you will make a good faith effort to the end. >> chris: let me -- >> i am almost finished. >> chris: this is a key point and let me explain to folks who have not followed this closely. in february 2011, a little over a year ago, the justice department sent a letter to senator grassley said no gun walking operation where they had let the guns go over the border and in december 2011, they retracted the letter to congress. that is why it is a big day. congressman issa you talk about finding the truth about briantery, you refused to hold a public hearing with the people at phoenix atf that ran the pradings . you refused a public hearing with the former head of atf. ken nelson. you refus

. >> there is darrell issa in action. that was the house oversight committee chair, darrell issa, behaving in his usual way hammering eric holder for not turning over documents related to the so-called fast and furious campaign, the operation carried out by the atf. shortly after that, issa set a vote holder in contempt of court, or congress rather, for tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. they just wrapped up a meeting that says he's still waiting for the documents he wants and hopes to get them tonight. former speaker of the california house and wade henderson, let me go to wade first because i want to understand is there any reason why we should put any trust in the good intentions of darrell issa here? >> none at all. he is pursuing a politically motivated witch hunt to force holder to resign. he's using fast and furious as the vehicle to pursue that, but nothing could be further from the factual bases. >> when i look at this, i just look at it and i don't mean to use this term too much, but it's almost like a stop and frisk. here'

joining us now to discuss the confrontation are darrell issa. and from san antonio the pane panel's top democrat, elia cummings. assuming there is no deal with the administration over the documents you are seeking, congressman issa, will the house vote attorney general holder in contempt this week? >> yes, i believe they will both republicans and democrats will vote that. >> chris: you are saying it is going to be bipartisan? >> i believe it will be bipartisan. there are a number of democra s democrats, 31 who wrote to the administration asking them to be forthcoming. many of them will stay with us now that the administration has not been. >> chris: but no doubt in your mind the house will vote holder in contempt? >> well, chris, it is regre regrettable we are here and we would certainly like to not be here and if the president and attorney general holder would simply start produceing the documents they know they could produce to us that are not by any means going to be covered by executive privilege, this could be delayed or even eliminated. bu

issa and his allies.his republican congress has dumped its duty to legislate in order to focus on its core task, the defeat of the president and they're doing that fast and furiously. joining us now, democratic congressman charles rangel of new york. good afternoon, sir. >> good to be back with you. >> we have a transportation bill that if passed would create over a million jobs. we have student loan interest rates about to double in ten days. we have the american jobs act which economists say would create nearly 2 million jobs but virtually every republican in the house is beside himself or herself where excitement about this contempt charge against the attorney general. what on earth is going on in the house of representatives? >> i knew when senator mcconnell said that the sole political objective was not to pass legislation, not to improve the economy, but to get rid of president obama, what i did not know is just how far, just how far are they willing to go. and as we see what is happening here with

issa: mr. speaker, this is the refusal of turning over documents, not whether or not it was his lieutenants or he who was involved in fast and rious. with that i'd like to recognize the distinguished former chairman of the judiciary committee, the gentleman from wisconsin, mr. sensenbrenner, for two minutes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from wisconsin is recognized for two minutes. mr. sensenbrenner: mr. speaker, this isn't about politics. this is about the constitution. and it's about congress' map date to do oversight -- mandate to do oversight over both executive and judicial branches of government. the president is asserting executive privilege to attempt to shield these documents. and he is relying on a type of primpling called the deliberative process privilege. however, that privilege disappears when congress' investigating evidence of wrongdoing. and in 1997 e u.s. court of appeals for the district of columbia circuit wrote in part, moreover, the privilege disappears altogethe

listening to congressman issa. holder and how holder is allegedly thwarting a congressional committee's attempt to investigate the fast and furious program. earlier our congressional correspondent kate bolduan told us president obama has entered the fray and asserted executive privilege over the documents that have been requested by congressman issa. don't know how this will affect the contempt charge. we are still looking into that. we will take you back to capitol hill. we are monitoring this and kate bolduan is still searching for the answer to the executive privilege question ♪ [ engine turns over ] [ male announcer ] we created the luxury crossover and kept turning the page, writing the next chapter for the rx and lexus. see your lexus dealer. ♪ [music plays] ♪ [music plays] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >>> congressman issa and his committee deciding whether to file a contempt of congress charge against attorney general eric holder over the fast and furious program. we are bogey to put that picture in the corner of your screen. as

it's congressman issa's job to investigate things in congress. speaker boehner is there to, you know, kind of make issues out of things that have important evidence and backing behind them that should be important on the house floor. >> host: the house in general because he's a constitutional officer, and he has a role to represent his party, obviously, but also the house in general. >> guest: right, exactly. so it's not his role to kind of get into the details of what each committee is investigating, what each committee is doing. he simply takes the big issues that are important, as you just mentioned, and makes them a house issue. now, there's been some controversy over whether speaker boehner has been stonewalling issa's investigation, whether he's been trying to put the brakes on this. sources say that's actually not true, he's just been sitting back and allowing congressman issa to do his job. he's the oversight chairman, it's his job to investigate things -- >> host: build a case file. >> guest: that's what chairman issa has done. he brough

congressman cummings and issa, thank you both so much. we will follow what happens in the house this week. up next, we will hear from t. boone pickens who has a new idea about how to cut our dependence on foreign oil. >> chris: with summer driving in full swing and all of us watching the price at the gas pump we want to talk about what can be done to reduce our country's dependence on foreign oil. joining us it the man with a plan, ledge endary energy executive t. boone pickens ha e have, mr. pickens welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thanks, chris. >> chris: the last time that many of us heard from you about energy was four years ago when you were pushing a major national investment in wind power. here is what you said then. >> america's is blessed with one of the best wind corridors in the world. using private investment in technology that already exists we can supply 20% of our electricity needs. >> chris: now, you are off wind power. what happened? >> price. wind is priced off margin. the margin's natural gas. when i made that ad,

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it is something issa can hold up after shooting a bunch of duds. i don't think it will have any real effect. >> how many people have been held in contempt of congress? >> very, very few. a lot of times it will go through committee and never make it to the full house. the democrat held two obama administration officials in contempt of congress in 2008. harriet meyers and josh bolton. >> and the democrats got the documents they wanted. >> it is kind of a charade on all sides. is it a charade? >> it is election year politics. >> if you look in the dictionary under election year stunts, you'll find a picture of darrell issa. >> what makes you believe that issa is capable honorable guy. >> he is the chair of a committee that has the capability of doing this. in an election year. >> historically they have gone after the opposite party. >> this is what he does. and actually nance plows, -- nancy pelosi, last week, a lot of people called darrell issa a loose cannon and she said that is -- that he is actually an explosive device. >> a lot of damage for demo

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