i mean darrell issa. darrell issa had asked for documents that the department of health and human services says would essentially provide the blueprint for potential cyber attacks, not just on healthcare.gov, but on any spectacularly constructed federal it system. it's the security testing documents for this website. as such, these are obviously really, really sensitive documents and if there's one thing that darrell issa has shown he has no -- the obama administration as of the last few days is now officially and in writing saying to darrell issa, no. no, you can not have these documents that you want to have. you can see them, but you cannot take them with you. you can look at them. you can review them with your own staff and with your own experts, but you cannot have copies of this stuff, because any time you get copies of anything, you e-mail them to cnn. it's a fight that remains unresolved. yesterday the administration went so far as to go around darrell issa and write to john boehner as speaker of

congressman issa.ocrats say he's repeatedly leaked materials that are supposed to be private to the president. and has happened with documents related to the tsa. the fast and furious investigation. the attacks in benghazi. the irs investigation. and now health care. new questions are the security of the health care website. based on documents from, guess who? congressman issa. but democrats say he cherry picked misleading information to scare people away from the website. and they're fighting back. joining me now is the man who's challenging issa, congressman elijah cummings, the ranking democrat on the house oversight committee. congressman, first of all, thanks for being here tonight. >> it's good to be with you. >> you're calling his behavior, quote, reckless. tell us why? >> first of all, reverend, it's reckless because what chairman issa has done as he's done in the past is he has presented certain testimony, cherry picked testimony that makes it look as if a lady named teresa frier who is the ch

issa. and nobody is talking about a postal service bailout.ey're talking about is getting congress out of the way of the postal service. the republican religion is to not trust the government. and they preach privatization time and time again. the financial pitch, let remind our viewers again, and the congress -- the financial pinch the united states postal service is under comes from the postal accountability and enhancement act, passed by congress in the lame duck session back in 2006. the law forces the postal service to prepay retiree health care for 75 years into the future and do it within a ten-year window. now, you don't see the private industry being forced to prepay retiree health care. how come u.p.s. and fedex aren't doing that? republicans want to run the post office right into the ground, force it to go bankrupt and take it to private when the operators know this is what they really want to do. as an independent government agency, the post office, if they were left alone, they would be able to easily compete against the private s

so what does investigator in chief congressman darrell issa do?p a health care scandal. he's on an obama scare road trip. holding one-sided hearings trashing the law. his latest hearing in texas was an excuse for republicans to attack the so-called health care navigators who explain the law's provisions and help people sign up. >> the purpose of navigators is to explain obama care to people andil

but congressman issa doesn't care about that. he doesn't care that navigators are helping people sign up for health care. and one texas group says issa didn't want to hear from them. >> several navigators actually requested to testify at today's hearing and were denied access. this hearing today really is a witch hunt. >> a witch hunt. this is the issa playbook of controlling hearings to make it one sided. need further proof that this was a -- that this hearing was a joke? when congressman issa didn't like an answer about health care website security, listen to this. he told the witness, quote, you need to watch more fox, i'm afraid. watch more fox? that's his suggestion? in a congressional hearing? you'd probably see a whole lot of congressman issa talking up his phony scandal of the month. maybe benghazi or fast and furious or solyndra or the irs. and let's remember the guy holding these hearings. remember what he said about president obama three years ago. >> he has been one of the most corrupt presidents in modern times. >> i

issa is as leaky as an old watering can.he congressman who has got the checkered past is proving old dogs just don't learn new tricks. this guy is after obamacare at all costs. and if he is leaking secret information that is sensitive to our i.t. work in the government, what do you say we have an impeachment vote? he's trying to do that with president obama, as well. joining me now, our rapid response panel, karen finney and ej dionne, msnbc contributor and columnist for "the washington post." >> it's like where to start with this guy. >> let's put the oh other investigations of the past and let's talk about the issue they're concerned about. nancy pelosi says there is sensitive information leaked. they're concerned about it. this would torpedo obamacare.gov. >> it's up to boehner. what's he going to do, stay silent? >> you need to watch more fox news, i'm afraid. a comment to a medicare or medicaid director down in texas. and it gives you a sense of where he's coming from on these -- on this whole subject. the problem here

darrell issa did the same in june on the irs issue.gain, partial transcripts, which he says show political bombshell testimony, but he won't release the whole transcripts, so it's impossible to know whether the darrell issa version is what we should believe or whether he has leaked it to specific journalists. the easy way to check these things is to look at the full transcript of what the irs witnesses said, right, cnn? but darrell issa wouldn't release it. he said it would be reckless to do that. he just likes to leak little pieces out of context that tell the story he wants to be told. without the full transcripts, you can't check to see if the excerpts are true. that's why he leaks it that way and cnn fell for it on the irs story in june and cbs fell for it two weeks ago, then abc fell for it last night with a new health reform story. with every one of them, it's the same trick. the webster hubbell trick. and they all read it as oh, exclusive access, the scoop. why do you think he's giving you the scoop? if he was leaking the gettys

daryl issa is the richest member of congress, worth over $100 million. and so i'm sure -- >> say that again. wait a minute. rewind that. daryl issa's what? >> he is the richest member of congress. he is worth over $100 million. and i think that it is just not within his thinking that he can imagine. i wished i could take him to spend a day in the emergency room with me so he can see what happens when people don't have insurance. i think, you know, i think about ten years from now, and i just can't brielieve that some of my republican colleagues aren't going to be shamed and embarrassed at what they did, what efforts they went through to prevent people from getting health insurance. it's really shameful, and i know they're going to look back at this with regret. >> they are definitely, well, they should, anyway, look back at this with regret. >> i think with the republican party you have folks such as representative coburn come out and say this is actually working, the website is working. now they're trying to find other problems with the website. what da

doing what darril issa tells you to do. >> will congress and chairman issa put their foot down and getents? >> it is it a long dance in getting them. if it is it subpeona they should provide them no questions asked. >> yes, we'll fight over the redakzs and lots of the documents are redakted and then gretta, you don't know what you don't know. and if the contractor gives information and not a total disclosure and we don't know what we don't have. underlying your question. why doesn't nothing happen to people who don't do what congress tells them to do. the fact that kathleen sebelius told someone not to conform to a subpeona and even if they do, i would encourage chairman issa to investigate it. to me it is not alls well that ends well. if you counsel someone to impede a captainingal investigation even if they don't take your advice. i would love to so them investigated. and my advice would be well received by chairman issa. >> the irony is, they all work for us. cathlone sebelius works for us. and we are the only ones who don't get the information. they are taking our money and having

that is what issa is asking about. jon: we've had guests here on "happening now" who say it is not but that issue aside, issa went to the white house and give us some information. white house says, no, give it to you because it would provide a roadmap for hackers and we are afraid you will leak it and then everything will go out the window, all the security. how does ha make sense? >> they're definitely concerned about issa leaks. i think probably less from a security standpoint and more from an embarrassing the white house kind of deal. the white house accused issa of looking a number of documents on a range of issues including the irs. so issa clearly, as oversight chairman his job is to go after problems with the administration. he will not go after things that work. he will go after things that have problems. democrats he is way overzealous. they said that for years and 2014 election year they think he will obviously ratchet it up. cummings and issa will be going at it for a while. jon: all right. bob cusack from "

chairman issa actually put their foot down and get these documents? we know it's a long dance in getting them. if they are subpoenaed, they should provide them. no questions asked. >> yes. and we'll fight of redactions. we don't know what we don't have. underlying your question is also why does nothing ever happen to people who don't do what congress tells them to do. the fact that kathleen sebelius, i would encourage chairman issa to investigate it. it's not alls well that ends el. if you counsel someone to impede a congressional investigation even if they don't take your advice i would love to see them investigated. and my suspicion is that my advice would be well received by chairman issa. >> but they all work for us. the contractors is getting paid with our money as taxpayers. kathleen sebelius works for us. and we're the only ones who who don't get the information. they are taking our money and having secret contracts we can't see and we don't know how they are spending the money or what is in the contract. >> they are taking your personal inform

today chairman issa explained on "fox & friends." watch this. >> the fact is kathleen sebelius is not providing america the truth. as a matter of fact in a letter i sent to her, i warned her that her people are obstructing justice, telling individual companies who have serious reports on security flaws. in other words vulnerability to hackers not to provide us the information. >> we turn back to oh the studio audience. penny nance. we have one of the worst rollouts here. one broken promise after another. it's the same thing as benghazi. same thing as targeting conservative groups. >> the irs, on and on. >> fast and furious. >> besides the problems with affordability, accessibility, quality of care there are problems with le lijs liberty in this law -- hang on. let me finish my thought. kathleen sebelius is withholding serious information. shifs asked october 30 for a list of the insurance companies providing abortions so people could choose not to purchase them. she said she would give him the information and has now refused it. the

issa is a republican.t mean that what he is discovering is false. we need to understand something here. these are community organizations doing this. this is the outgrowth of the daughter or son of acorn doing this. it's no surprise a communitier organizer as president, running a program that is community organizations on the ground, that are engaged in this, and it's everybody -- >> you know what -- >> you cannot deny there's an element here, amongst these navigators, of signing up potential volter ares for democrats. >> what if there's a republican navigator? >> can you find any? >> i wouldn't know what their party is. i was listening to monica and of all the possibility she noted there's only one name she said who has in fact been convicted of a misdemeanor who has paid over six figures in settlements and that's james o'keefe. >> are you saying what he found with the nagivators is incorrect when he has it on camera? >> don't try to corn the guy worry --time telling the truth about the guy. has anybody h

his showmanship, darrell issa has started recently taking his oversight committee out on the road. they've been holding field hearings around the country on health reform, which is what he was doing on the superstition highway in apache junction, arizona, on friday afternoon. here's the thing, though. nobody's allowed to speak at the hearings. anybody who turns up for the hearings is not allowed to testify at them, no matter if you sign up in advance, no matter if you call and ask if you can testify, no matter if you sit there patiently and raise your hand, you can't talk if you go to his gig, because congressman issa has set out the ground rules in advance for exactly what he wants to hear at his hearings. this is amazing. look at this. this is in advance of the hearing at apache junction. congressman issa wrote an op ed in the local paper explaining what kind of testimony he wanted to hear at his hearing. he said the committee wanted to hear specifically, "from individuals who have felt the impact of increased premiums and dropped insurance coverage as a result of obama care." "t

issa, let me start with you. back in may, after the independent review came up with its conclusions about what happened, you and i had the following exchange. i'd like to play it and ask you about it now. >> the fact is we want the facts. we're entitled to the facts. the american people were effectively lied to for a period of about a month. that's important to get right. >> i want to be clear what you believe the lie was. >> this was a terrorist attack from the get-go. it was never about a video. >> have you changed your mind based on the "new york times" investigation? were you wrong about that? >> well, the "new york times," quite frankly, david kirkpatrick did some very good work. but interviewing people in benghazi after the fact, after the world has been told about this video, is really not realtime. we have seen no evidence that the video was widely seen in benghazi, a very isolated area, or that it was a leading cause. what we do know is that september 11 was not an accident. these are terrorist groups, s

over the past several weeks, issa has traveled from gastonia, north carolina. out west to apache junction, arizona. and last night he ended up in richardson, texas holding official congressional hearings about obama care. >> as we all know an online exam also can be taken by somebody else pretending to be the navigator. >> last night's hearing, obama care implementation. who are the navigators? >> we cannot have a repeat of the a.c.o.r.n. like activities that led to too many people believing that there was something for nothing. >> the american people are losing confidence in their government. maybe we can look to fast and furious, we can look to benghazi, we can look to the irs scandal, we can look to the broken promises of if you like your health insurance, you can keep it, period. >> i would have you look at the screen. >> enter the conservative project veritaz group. >> that was a clip of bill o'reilly being screened at an official congressional hearing. but wait, it gets better. >> the project veritas under cover talked to a few of these people in training

chairman issa may have access to some that i don't have.his, congress is not a third party. so i don't care what the contract says. certain contracts are void for public policy. you can't tell someone you are in a contract with not to call the police if there is a criminal act. you can't tell a third party who has been subpoenaed by a coequal branch of government not to comply with that subpoena. if there is evidence that secretary sebelius is instructing people not to cooperate with a committee of jurisdiction in congress, if she is going to be in even more trouble than she is currently in, and that's a lot. >> all right. you have actually sent the subpoena to the contractors for information? are they under subpoena to provide that information? >> yes. and there have also been subpoenas to the department of health and human services, and what is going to be very interesting is if the production is different. if we get less documents from h.h.s. than we get from the contractor, that's also going to make our interests peak. >> are you going

representative issa is supposed to be a nice guy? up thingbringing ghazi. uphe keeps bringing benghazi. i think some of the callers the ku in sound like klux klan or the grand wizard. the ku klux klan or the grand wizard. host: you're talking about what you're hearing coming out of congress. what you want to hear in the last couple weeks of the legislative session? white house bureau chief scott wilson joined us to talk about the affordable care act and other issues that are affecting president obama's credibility and his legacy. later we will continue our later we will continue our health care discussion with cq roll call reporter emily etheredge. we will be right back.

. >>> coming up, oversight committee daryl issa accuse iin criminal obstruction.congress is digging deep enough into the obama care rollout disaster or should they do more? tweet us using #greta. >>> get ready to speed-read your way to the news. fist in south africa, they're admitting to a hiring mistake of a fake interpreter for nelson mandela's service. and it was jibberish. the accused imf poster said he was having hallucinations and he was standing just a few inches from president obama. >> in 2006, a wife found dead in a pool of blood and the young daughter was found unharmed in the parents bed. jason insists he was away and his argues insist he received an unfair trial. >>> and in-flight phone calls, saying they should -- the ban is dated and should be changed. >>> president bush known as president bush 43 sending a note of encouragement to another 43. and the kicker who received threats about his kicking loss to auburn. he said, dear cade 43, life has its setbacks, i know. however you will be a stronger human with time. >> daryl issa accusing hhs of crimina

were you surprised by chairman issa's responses yesterday?wasn't surprised, because i've heard him before. they were inaccurate then, they're inaccurate now. i mean, you can take the events and the tragedy and try to sort of twist it into anything you want it to twist into. but the fact of the matter is, i think the "new york times" article, based on the intelligence reports that i've seen, is right on the money. >> you know, as a member of congress, i have to imagine you were frustrated by just the sheer waste of time. you had members of the administration coming up to the hill for briefings, you had issa and others holding hearings. when it sounds like you were getting a lot of the information that you needed. there was the report that came out of the state department. i mean, do you feel like -- this was -- time was wasted based on the politics of this? >> well, i don't know if it was wasted. i'll tell you something. look, there was a terrible tragedy. and there were mistakes that were made. i don't want to exonerate the state department o

congressman darryl ooiell issa, you for your great service sir. one of the most galling aspects is real americans are losing their insurance and their doctors, even after president obama's false promise that they were told they could keep it. all right. here now to share his difficult story jim hoft. the founder and blogger for gateway.com. he just found out he is losing the health insurance and possibly the doctor that have saved his life. thank you for coming on. i'm reading your story. and this is a brutally tough story. just tell us. you thought you had a cold, and it turns out to be a heart problems and stroke problems. and you're going to lose your insurance. can you just fill us in briefly on your difficult heartbreaking story? >> thanks, larry. yes. this was back in august of this year, just three months ago. i thought i lad a cold. after three days, i was taking cold medicine, i lost vision in my left eye and went blind in my eye. soy checked into the hospital here in st. louis, missouri. they ransom tests, found out i had actually bacter

>> well, i think chairman issa, obviously heads a different committee than the one i'm on but i think he's exactly right. and the remedies are limited at the level of congress. you saw, we did hold the attorney general in contempt last year, civil and criminal contempt. those things are working their way through the courts but he's still there in spite of the contempt of congress vote that he had last year. i don't think there's any question that secretary sebelius is out of her depth in trying to manage these problems. i think she must know that. i just cannot believe she feels she's serving the administration, her boss, the president. i can't feel that she's serving -- she's not doing a good job for them, and you know, if i were in that position, i would certainly be looking for a way out. >> you got to wonder, evening. >> thank you. >>> the biggest political lie of 2013 goes to -- we'll give you a hunt. he lives in a big white house. that's next. "justice with judge jeanine." >>> if you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor. if you like your health care plan, you'll

squoining me now house oversight committee chair darryl issa and pete sessions. good to see you. >> good to see you, sean. >> this video where they tell people to lie about whether you smoke or not, isn't that against the law? >> absolutely they are against the law. but these so-called navigators don't follow any of the rules every state in the union has for insurance people. the idea that they are bonded, identified, fingerprinted, anything to uh cause you to know that they are not felons and identity theft perpetrators has not been done. we saw it today. even the simplest, do you get a copy of the driver's license, the answers were with repeatedly no. this is basically just another form of community organizing, paid for with your tax dollars. acorn revisited, if you will. >> congressman sessions, we have gotten away from the law of the land and the president decides which laws will be enforced and changes laws at a whim without going through congress. but i met on the phone with the navigators. one woman was fired for being on the phone with me. the question i

darrell issa a frequent critic aired navigators have weak background checks that may expose consumers personal information to fraud and claims that navigators have tried to encourage enrollees to lie about their income in order to raise their subsidies. >> we cannot have a repeat of the acorn like activities that led to too many people believe tlg was -- believing there was something for nothing and ultimately ending up with nothing when they started with something. >> jay carney was harsh in his rebuttal, declaring issa is a partisan trying to undermine the law at all costs. >> this is just one more data point in the republican obsession with sabotaging obamacare. all navigators must complete hours of training, including on privacy issues. and this is not just a one-time process. >> and a poll across the country say many are skeptical of the law, beyond the republicans and millions who have received cancellations. a poll shows 76% of americans who have health insurance blame rising deductions and premiums on the president's law. and a poll shows a drop in support of the president amo

republican congressman darryl issa, one of the most outspoken critics of the white house's handling of the benghazi attack, stood by his version of the september 11 events on "meet the press" today. >> al qaeda is not decimated, and there was a group there that was involved that is linked to al qaeda. >> issa has long asserted the administration lied about what led to the 2012 attack. four americans were killed, including ambassador christopher stevens. >> so we have seen no evidence that the video was widely seen in benghazi. a very isolated area. or that it was a leading cause. >> "the new york times" david kirkpatrick, who spent months interviewing libyans on the ground, tells a different story, writing that an american-made anti-muslim tape fueled the incident, and benghazi was not infiltrated by al qaeda but nonetheless contained grave local threats to american interests. >> the people who attacked the compound were members of the militia the u.s. expected to protect the same mission. >> white house officials say they don't dispute "the times" report. the administration has pill l

>> i think chairman issa has a different committee than what i'm on. i think he's right and the remember diz are limited at the level of congress you saw we did hold the attorney general in contempt. but civil and criminal contempt. he's still there.? spite of the contempt of congress vote last year. i don't think there is any question that secretary sebelius is out of her depth. i think she must know that. i'm, i just cannot believe she feels she's serving her boss, the president i can't feel she's serving, she's not doing a good job for them. you know? if i were in that position, i'd be looking for a way out. >> you've got to wonder, if they even care. congressman burgess, thanks for joining us this evening. >> thank you. >> biggest political lie of 2013 goes to... we'll give you a hint. he lives in a big white house. next. >>> live from america's news headquarters, nelson mandela is back home. a hearst carrying the body arrived in the town where he will be buried after his funeral set to begin moments from now.. mandela will be buried by his family.

i don't want to speculate on why they might do it. >> that was mike rogers and not daryl issa.ou seem dismissive, but i had a chance to talk to people in d.c. they say this is the one major important thorn in our candidacy? a lot of republicans feel they are sitting on something big here and you don't seem to agree. >> it is a potential thorn right now. my argument is 2016 is a whiles off. there's a campaign and primaries to be had and something could come on later on. i think republicans have used this to bloody up president obama as well as hillary clinton now she's out of her position as secretary of state. whether or not it has lasting power with persuadable voters is something to be dermds. it fires up the conservative base. does it fire up people in ohio and florida? i'm not so sure since it didn't necessarily work in 2012 when benghazi, that attack played out at the presidential debates on tv and during the last stages of that campaign. >> nothing that's going to dissuade her from running? >> i don't think so. we would be getting a sign from hillary clinton if she was th

the "post" cites a falsehood by representative darrell issa, who said that secretary of state clinton denied security for libya by her signature on a cable. according to the paper, secretary clinton's signature is on every cable and it's a stamp. there is no evidence that mrs. clinton was even aware of the security request. michele bachmann gets a falsehood for saying 70 cents off every dollar spent on food stamps goes to bureaucrats. according to "the post," that's simply false. secretary of state john kerry makes the list because he said he opposed the invasion of iraq. in fact, he voted for it as a senator. finally, former florida governor jeb bush makes the list by saying that president obama closed the u.s. embassy in vatican city. the president had nothing to do with that decision. it was to consolidate the embassy with the italian u.s. embassy in rome, and it was a state department decision based on security concerns. now, some of those falsehoods were mistakes. i think jeb bush qualifies there. but some were outright distortions. no lie, it is a disturbing situation. and that'

congressman issa was talking about billions of taxpayer dollar spent, this entire affordable care act was predicated on fact there was a group of people, in this country, who cannot purchase insurance, no matter how hard they tried with their preesting conditions, now, since 1996, by federal law, all insurance purchase by individuals, is what they call guaranteed renewable, they can't drop you if you get a chronic condition, and not allowed to raise premiums, so what percentage of people are we talking about? well according department of health and human services estimate, that is less than 1% of the population under medicare age, so, not that i would recommend this, but for a fraction of that money wasted on affordable carect we could b this less than 1% of population insurance. and solve the problem. it is just, just insane waste of money. gerri: that is amazing, and reminds me of the housing problem. we could have bought everyone out of of their most gangs efficient same moment we spent on -- most gangs for same mome t of mey. this is the mistake this adminiration keeps making over

but chairman darrell issa says there's no way to know for sure because he claims she is criminally oninstructing his committee's investment listen to what he said on "fox & friends" earlier today. >> kathleen sebelius is not providing america the truth. as a matter of fact, in a letter that i sent to her i warned her that her people are actually obstructing justice. they're telling individual companies who have serious reports on security flaws, in other words, vulnerability to hackers, not to provide us the information. and what's amazing about it, brian, is they're saying 73 days later, don't provide information because it's a road map to hackers. jon: let's talk about it with nina easton, washington columnist for "fortune" magazine, jamie weinstein, a senior editor at the daily caller. obstruction of justice, that's a pretty serious charge, nina. does what kathleen sebelius has been doing, does it seem to merit that charge to you? >> well, i don't know if it quite rises to that level, but certainly congress has a right to investigate what has gone on and what's gone wrong with this

you point out eric cantor and darrell issa. their district have larger proportion of hispanics. gomez, thank you for joining us. people can read your articles at usatoday.com. up this year of review, we will look at a recent conversation on the history of american immigration and why the u.s. continues to see unlawful immigration. what we call comprehensive immigration reform comes out of the experience. it is a formula that says we will try to stop and solve the problem of illegal immigration by legalizing those who are here and putting in place mechanisms to prevent any future unlawful immigration. know, that did not quite work out. there's a lot of discussion as why that is. it was too idealistic and too lenient. in fact, the reason we continue to have unlawful immigration is because the system put in place which has the same maximum for every country, 20,000, that means belgium has us" as mexico. new zealand has the same quota as india. when people talk about being a long lines for visas, only four countries that max out on visas every year. is the same for every year. india

. >> darrell issa and others took that and crusaded against the administration. >> benghazi. >> we were not given a clear picture of what went on. >> i stood next to president obama as the marines carryied those flag draped caskets off the plane at andrews. i put my arms around the anothers and fathers, the sisters and brothers the sobs and daughters. >> had i been president at the time i would have relieved you of your post. >> clearly the american public was deliberately misled. >> 2013 started with benghazi and the tense hearings on capitol hill last january and the year will end with benghazi thanks to a bombshell report by the "new york times" which raises many questions about the right wing conspiracy theories about the attack that took the lives of four americans including ambassador chris stevens. "months of investigation by the "new york times" turned up no evidence that al qaeda or other international terrorist groups had any role in the assault" and go on to say "it does not appear to be meticulously planned but neither spontaneous and without warning signs" and "there is no

. >> issa 2014 would be a breakthrough year for the u.s. thomas saying the economy actually grew bigger than expected, but this is the first his familyke sipped gave a recommendation about the spying scandal. >> not a clear opinion from president obama from his words at this press conference. he is supposed to take those recommendations and make a definitive statement in january. clear when we'll get a opinion about what kind of changes might be done. want slighthe might changes. remember the meta-data and phone records is the most controversial aspect. he might favor that being done by private companies with data not held by the u.s. government. that would be one major change. that's pretty much all we heard. no clear opinion about whether what edward snowden did was good or bad and no comment on whether he should get amnesty. this is clearly one of the big controversies of the year. remember a federal judge only recently said the nsa's practices were slightly unconstitutional, meaning against the law. >> we have just had a wire saying oba

. >> issa that you represent the country right now. -- he said that you represent the country right now. >> south africa went on to win the rugby world cup. despite the symbolism of the old, green rugby jersey, nelson mandela put one on as a powerful gesture of national reconciliation. >> i went up to the podium to go and collect the trophy, but he stopped me and shook my hand and said to meet -- thank you very much for what you have done for south africa. you are wrong,- thank you for what you have done for south africa. he was able to fly at 30,000 and and look at our future what south africa needed in order to live together in live up to the potential of the young democracy. in many ways, nelson mandela's plan to unite south africa through sport has worked and turned a new page in the country's history. -- nelson mandela's public work did not end with his political career, of course. fought for children's rights and the greatest scourge facing south africa today, hiv, aids. something his predecessors have been that his successors have been criticized for failing to do. >> after retir

. >> chairman issa ranking member coming seven members of the oversight committee thanks for inviting me to speak with you today about the affordable care act. my name is opec right i'm a senior fellow at the manhattan institute for policy research in which the capacity i said conduct research on entitlement reform. i'm an advocate of market-based universal coverage. i believe the wealthiest country in the world can and should strive to protect every american from financial ruin due to injury or illness. furthermore i believe well-designed subsidize insurance marketplaces are among the most attractive vehicles for achieving these goals. it is for these reasons that i am deeply concerned about the way the aca insurance has been designed and implemented. most of all i'm concerned it will drive up the cost of health insurance especially for people who shop for coverage on their own. as you know the aca made substantial changes to the individual health insurance market. the law broadly bars insurers from charging different rates to the second helping requires insurers to raise rates on yo