i will quote daryl issa. we asked for lois lerner because she became a person of interest for being at the center for the unfair treatment and this is the important part, and the deliberate effort to overturn citizens united using the power of the irs. which is not -- not something i think we talked about before. irs overturning citizens united. >> this is such a huge point you're making here. it is what comes to the core of it. congress does have an important oversight function and daryl issa is in some way or another trying to fill that out though he often does so in a way that seems unusually partisan and also has another function. it is meant to solve the underlying problems the country faces, daryl issa and others very upset when you saw a massive failure around the healthcare.gov operation very early into october and november and december. very upset over how the unclear process led to tea party groups taking a long time to get their tax status ratified. these are problems they could solve. they could v

let me go to chairman darryl issa.nd bullying has been a big part of the gop's lack of agenda. check out how he attacked the irs commissioner last night, dana. >> would you please rise to take the oath? raise your right hand. little higher. thank you. frankly, i'm sick and tired of your game playing in response to congressional oversight. we have a problem with you and you have a problem with maintaining your credibility. i asked a question. >> i answered it. we are going to provide you 24,000 e-mails -- >> my time is expired and i have lost my patience with you. >> before you respond, congresswoman, you were there, part of the panel. was it as ugly as it appears? how did your colleagues respond? >> actually it was uglier. a number of republican members then started attacking the commissioner. wouldn't let him finish his answers, would cut him off, for all intents and purposes were saying that obstructing justice. at one point i actually called on the chair man to recognize that the rules of the committee required him

she's not a political employee. >> i believe chairman issa called you a liar. maybe -- >> he called me one, too, and i won't respond to that, except to say he's wrong. it's convenient. this is an election year politics. it's convenient to have a demon that they can create and point to. let me tell you something basic about this. people who want to give money to elections and do so in a tax-freeway have to submit themselves to the scrutiny of the irs to be sure that they're complying with the rules that limit political activity. if the irs is not looking at political activity in the c4 applications, they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing. it's like saying they're examining us for political activity when that's exactly the criteria that they're submitting for their applications. >> did your client violate the paperwork federal paperwork law? >> no, she did exactly what the irs required. >> she didn't back up her e-mails which was irs, you're supposed to print out things. >> she printed out some things, not others. you can't print out hundreds of thou

on friday afternoon issa whether from pressure or humiliation or a hard dose of reality, chairman issaled off secretary kerry's subpoena, but not before getting in a trademark cheap shot. it's been disappointing to watch a long serving former senator, like secretary kerry, squirm his way to what i'm doing today, issa said in a statement, adding getting the final truth is what matters. the select committee is the house of representatives commitment to getting this truth. issa still does not have a seat on that select committee, but doesn't he wish someone would invite him? though he did at least get a little love from the republican powers that be. instead of calling his shenanigans out for what they were, deputy whip pete roscum generously called issa's bungle a procedural snafu. >>> does the release of p.o.w. bowe bergdahl signal the beginning of the end of gitmo? i'll ask the daily beast's josh rogen and sam stein about the real goal behind the exchange coming up next. ahhh. beautiful day in baltimore where most people probably know that geico could save them money on car insurance,

first the chairman of the house oversight committee darrell issa, thank you for being here. that was a long flight from the west coast. >> i guess i'm a dogged flyer, too. >> exactly. let's first go to the e-mails, two years' worth you've been given some over 20,000 of them have been retrieved through other ways people she sent them to, et cetera. did lois lerner crash her own computer? >> well, we'll probably never know that. the drive is physically gone. what we do know from the discovery we have gotten from e-mails that we've gotten from multiple sources is she broke some regulations. she broke some laws. she sent trying to get prosecution sent 1.1 million tax records over to the department of justice including inappropriate or actually illegal 6103 disclosures on behalf of conservative groups. >> in the end, i thought you had said listen, she clearly did this so that we couldn't have these records. so you can see this could have been a computer crash and it lost her stuff. >> we never, i don't think anyone has on my committee has ever said she deliberately crashed her co

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that led daryl issa to subpoena her and called her a hostile witness. >> yes or no, please. you're a hostile witness. yes or no. were you hired -- >> i'm not at all a hostile witness. >> yes, you are. >> chairman told you you were a hostile witness, and you said you were not. is that right? >> that's correct. >> do you consider yourself a hostile witness? >> i'm definitely not hostile. >> i checked with congressman gowdy, who has a lot more knowledge of law and prosecuting than i do. he said a term i should have used was noncooperative witness rather than hostile. >> yeah, totally different thing. well, it's worth arguing that the most informative part of today's, last night's and friday's exercise was the revelation that the irs still uses windows xp. it's also worth noting that ms. o'connor's loose connection is not what made her an attractive witness to drag to capitol hill today. rather, it was undoubtedly two magic words in her current title, white house. >> i believe lois lerner is hiding something. i believe the justice department, the irs, and the white house are int

now it appears that chairman issa's perspective has changed. with respect to the loss of miss lerner's e-mails he believes the loss of her e-mail is evidence of, quote, nefarious conduct. chairman issa has repeatedly stated this assertion, but yet said something completely different in a previous hearing. commissioner, as far as you can tell, the only difference between the statements chairman issa made in 2008 and the statements he made now, is that there was a republican administration then, and that there's a democratic administration now. the fact is that the irs and many other federal agencies have struggled to improve their electronic record retention for years. gao, the national archivists, and others, have been reporting on these problems repeatedly. so, i have a main question that i'd like to ask, commissioner, and that's, what can you do to explain to this committee the steps that are being taken to restore the public's trust in the irs and the functions that it provides to the american people in this regard to the data and the protec

seems more like daryl issa has some 'splaining to do. that's all for now.ow is coming up next. >>> good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show." i'm ready to go, let's get to work. >> i was elected to end wars. >> now we're in a position where adversaries no longer fear us and allies no longer trust us. >> dick cheney is the man who took us into war in iraq on false pretensions. >> he was wrong every time. >> simply stated, there is no doubt -- >> you think the american people are prepared for a long costly and bloody battle with a significant american casualties? >> i don't think it's likely to unfoldt

oversight chairman darrell issa sounds prepared to challenge his integrity. >> the biggest one being you came before us, you said you would tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth under oath. do you believe you told the whole truth? of course the answer is he did not tell the whole truth. >> reporter: issa sent this letter full of technology questions over the weekend signalling he intends to ask about whether the irs actually followed federal record keeping laws and whether the agency followed the best i.t. practices after lerner's hard drive failed in 2011. issa is seeking a detailed account of what the irs tried to do to get the emails and why it took so long that the communications were lost. >> these are simple questions he can go to staff. have the answers. turn them back toufrs and safe us going through questions as straightforward as who took steps to recover the documents, who -- who decided to destroy it. >> reporter: he told reporters friday the agency tried hard to recover lerner's emails. >> her hard drive got more tender care and drive and analysis tha

issa was damn leer close to selling illegal cars with his brother.hey're trying to tie this to the obama white house. they're not going to do it. i think lois lerner and some of her people did violate the law. i have no doubt about that. >> what do you want to see done? >> tonight see issa stop trying to tie this thing to the white house, looking for a smoking gun that he knows doesn't exist. >> what needs to be done? >> true physical they have the evidence, they indict her. >> it's disappointing you can't say i really wish that there would be some accountability instead of yelling at issa. >> i just said it. i said they have the evidence. they should indict her. she should be indicted and tried. i don't know whether they can go to jail or not. they will probably go to jail. but for issa to continue to play this -- i don't know how many hearings he's had but i think he's a waste of time. the fact of the matter is, if they have the evidence, get her before a grand jury, indict her, take her to trial and then you've got to have it done. >> we have to s

the official description of issa is evolving. yesterday they were described as a criminal sindicate and now they are saying they are an army with political grieveiances that need to be understood so the people can stand up and counter the attacks. >>> back on the map, quick refresher, divide iraq in three and that gives you an understanding. one is the kurd, shiite and the sunnis. all of the focus has been the western part of iraq. north of baghdad and all of these towns operated by isis. the border crosser here by syria is taken by isis. the border here by jordan has been taken by isis. and that is a critical movement. the sunni fighters want to expand the zone and work toward the caliphate. last week we talked about this area on the eastern border are iran. that was last week. over the weekend, if you blinked you missed it because the area increased maybe by 50% so far. one more screen to look at. the number of towns now in control by isis, a lot are big, a lot are also small but the border area is critical to see what they can

in june of 2010, chairman issa alerted irs and made an inquiry. in february of 2011, lois lerner sent an e-mail saying the tea party is a very dangerous matter. then, the chairman of the committee with jurisdiction in june of 2011, june 3rd, dave camp, who you spent time with recently sent a letter to the irs that it looks like the heat really started to come on at that point. now an entire administration and one of the biggest scandals in government was during watergate when 18 minutes of tape was lost and somehow between june 3rd and june 13th lois lerner's hard crash is gone in ten days. it isn't just a couple days or 18 minutes like rose mary wood's lost. but 27 months; is that correct? >> all of e-mails -- >> from june of '09 to april of '11. it raises many questions. now, you came on in december, right? >> yes, the end of december. >> and you were briefed about this whole situation at the beginning, i guess, of january. in february, you testified today you learned there was a problem recovering some of the e-mails. is that correct? >> i lear

we know that darrell issa has already questioned whether he has been telling the truth when he has come up here to capitol hill. we saw a lot of fireworks on friday before the house ways and means committee. we expect even more tonight in front of the house oversight committee, we do expect koskinen to come out. looking into what happened to lois lerner's emay that the treasury inspector general, the independent body is also investigating. if you don't take does kinnen's word for it. he will tell lawmakers there is somebody else investigating, somebody else who can can get to the bottom of the computer crash and whatever happened to lois lerner's enile outside agencies and outside organizations. but we do expect a lot of tough stuff and this is also the committee where tempers have flared between republicans and democrats. so that will be something to watch for as lawmakers try to get to the bottom of this email situation more than two years of emails for the woman at the center of this investigation go missing and a lot of lawmakers are saying that doesn't feel like coincidence but the

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let's drop in with darryl issa. >> lois lerner in may of 2013? may 30th. >> they hired you once we said we wanted documents, correct? yes or no? were you hired? >> i will not a hostile witness. >> you were hired in may. in june when we were not getting delivery we went to subpoena. in august you were there? >> i was there. >> in august of 2013 we requested all of lois lerner's e-mails and not a selection or group. are you aware of that? >> yes. >> and what did you do to determine the window of all at that time in august of 2013? >> can i explain the process? >> my time is expired so i ask you be full and complete in what you did from august until the time you left to secure all of the documents. >> i think background is helpful. when i arrived on may 30th, the irs had a team that was already in place collecting materials and beginning to respond to the congressional investigations. i joined at the request to be a counselor and perform a number of different things, a piece of which was helping to respond to the four different congressnal committee

darrell issa issued a subpoena to a lawyer in the white house council's office. the subpoena calling for lawyer jennifer owe conner to testify at tomorrow's irs hearing. right now our political panel joins us. the "wall street journal" jason, "the washington examiner" susan ferrechio and national journal's ron foreign yea. jason, big news that the white house doesn't like this and they don't want their white house council to show up tomorrow. she used to work at the irs. >> the problem that the white house has is no one believes their narrative. computer experts that say it's highly unlikely. common accepts the coincidence that these emails from these individuals would go missing at this very time just doesn't make a lot of sense they are not from the fire breathing ring of the g.o.p. camp asking for special prosecutor. paul ryan losing his cool. this doesn't make sense from so many angles. >> you have to be clairvoyant though as i understand it this crash occurred prior to the investigation. or am i wrong on that? because, 'it that's right, you would have to be

oversight members grilled john koskinen on the disappearance of lois lerner's emails and chairman darrell issa blasted him. >> tonight will be difficult. it deserves to be difficult for both sides. we have a problem with you. and you have a problem with maintaining your credibility. >> i did not say i would provide you with emails that disappeared if you have a magical way for me to do that. i would provide all the emails. we are providing all the emails.

let's look at some of those laws that congressman issa pointed out, saying that lois lerner broke and how she broke them. you know, the paperwork act is what he's referring to, saying that she broke that by not keeping hard copies. take it away. >> that's correct. actually, lois lerner's lawyer was on another network this morning, and he confirmed what darrell issa said in saying that the e-mails had not been taken properly. they had not been printed off, and they had not all been kept properly. so president obama earlier this year told bill o'reilly that there's not a smidgen of corruption in regard to the irs scandal. we know now that at least there is a smidgen of something of some impropriety that both sides can agree on. the question is how far this went and whether or not there's something more nefarious at work here. >> if, in fact, there is something more nefarious at work here, will it be difficult to prove and pinpoint lerner, and is prosecution possible? >> yeah, it's possible, but it's impossible to pinpoint what went wrong when not all sides are cooperating. president oba

that was the intention chairman issa joins us.sir. >> i think the american public gets it when a disk drive quote crashes. the data is still there. and competent authorities can recover virtually, if not all of that data. it's clear that this disk drive went to the bone yard at a convenient time with convenient information. >> are you saying that it could still be recovered or are you saying that the they intentionally offloaded it so that it can't be? >> the federal records act requires that this data be retained. >> all right. so, did they retain it or did they offload it? >> when they destroyed -- recycled or destroyed the disk without informing the national archives, they violated the law. the national archives has now opened an investigation completely separate from ours into this series of wrongful destructions. >> and i have got the letter here from the archives. >> paul webster. >> dated june 17th. okay. was it deliberate or accidental or incompetent? however you want to say it was this deliberate destruction? >> i had a c

then there is darrell issa who held a bruising hearing on monday night of this week. oversight committee that sent koskinen a letter last saturday asking 15 detailed questions about the missing irs emails. in the senate the investigation is being handled in a bipartisan way by the finance committee. democrat chairman ron widen and top republican orrin hatch have been working very closely and in a low key fashion trying to get to the bottom of the irs targeting of conservative groups. this week hatch sent widen a letter saying he wants to have a hearing on the missing emails. widen and many other democrats saying they should allow the treasury inspector general to conduct independent review to get the hard facts. the inspector general is doing expected report on the missing emails at the irs and we're told he is hoping to issue that in the comingthern open investigation that the justice department as well although many are skeptical results president obama phony scandal and told bill o'reilly there isn't a smidgen of corruption irs, greta? >> thank you. ever since may

on aoad for free issa smart phone. you will be able to measure in your house, your wi-fi speed. will be able to find out if you are getting the internet that you paid for. -- if order from, past you are from comcast, you will be able to find out if they deliver. the point of the fcc is you ought to be able to go as fast as you purchased. you should bid to go and the fast lane you chose to any website and any content. ,> i think it's a fundamental it gets at fundamental beliefs about government responsibility. fundamentally, if comcast has to deliver everything at a high speed, they take on a greater cost for the burden of a what? for the benefit of home? >> for the benefit of the you and me. do you want to the cable guy or cellular company to be between the eu and the content? they are between you and the content. do you also want them to close some doors and open other? slow some access speeds and speeds?d some that is the fundamental issue at the fcc. the starting point is knowing that you are getting what you paid for. to know if you are getting what you paid for. >> and not

whenever darrell issa does something, it doesn't look like the truth.hackener grand standing. >> it galvanizing. >> absolutely. so the whole truth suspect where we should be, gets lost in the pinne wind. >> there is something else i have to talk about. an interview in britain's gua guardi guardian. they asked clinton about her wealth, which is extremely large. she is running as democrat but when is wealthy. so here is what she said. she said, they don't see me as part of the problem, writes the paper, because we pay ordinary income. not to name names but some don't pay regular income tax. if past form is any gooid, she must be finding my question painful. >> sunny, unlike people who are really well off. there are other people that put that to shame. >> and other people, this her words, truly wealthy, that only pay capital gains taxes an hide their money in off-shore accounts. i think that's what she is referring to. certainly inartful, no question about it. but i'm so shocked at hillary clinton. because we know that she stepped in this before. right? sh

. >> reporter: the committee daniel issa slammed him saying he would turn over e-mails of lois lerner at the center of the investigation into the agency targeting tea party groups applying for tax exempt status. but earlier this month, the irs told congress that a computer had crashed in 2011 and destroyed some of her e-mails. >> all the e-mails we have would be provided. i did not say i would provide you e-mails that disappeared. if you have a magical way to do that i'd be happy to do that. >> reporter: some democrats koskinen saying there's no evidence that it was part of a cover-up as some republicans have suggested. >> the fact that you would be suggested tonight to the barrage and innuendo and accusation backed up by nothing for the purpose of political theater is, to me, recs and disgraceful. >> reporter: a white house attorney subpoenaed by congressman issa will testify today during an overoversight hearing. one thing investigators want to know, if anyone outside the irs, specifically in the white house, was a part of any of the targeting of conservative groups. so far, they ha

darrell issa oversees this hearing. >> good morning all. if you could please close the doors and be seated. good morning. the committee will come to order without objection the chair is authorized to declare a recess of the committee at any time. as i said last night late for many of you and i say again this morning, the oversight committee exists to secure two fundamental principles. first, americans have a right to know that the money washington takes from them is well spent. and second, americans deserve an efficient, effective government that works for them. our duty on the oversight and government reform committee is to protect these rights. our solemn responsibility is to hold government accountable to taxpayers because taxpayers have a right to know what they get from their government. so it's our job to work tirelessly in partnership with citizen watch dogs to deliver the facts to american people and bring general reform to the federal bureaucracy. this is our mission. this is our passion. and this is what we're here for today. the

in june of 2010, chairman issa alerted irs, and it made an inquiry. in february of 2011, lois lerner sent an e-mail to irs employees stating that the tea party is a very dangerous matter. matter. then the chairman of the committee with jurisdiction in june of 2011, june 3rd, dave camp, who you have spent time with recently, sent a letter to the irs saying that the heat really started to come on at that point. now, the entire administration and one of the biggest scandals in government was back during water gate when 18 minutes of tape was lost and somehow between june 3rd and june 13th, lois lerner's hard drive crashes and is on in ten days. it's not just a couple of days or 18 minutes like rose mary wood's had the misfortune of moving but 27 months, is that correct, of hard drive that's lost. >> all of e-mails -- >> from june of '09 to april of 2011. so it raises many questions. now you came on in december, right, john? >> yes, the end of december. >> and they briefed you -- you were briefed about this whole situation the beginning, i guess, of janua

congressman darrell issa who is leading the investigation sent out this statement in response.e it is, quote, isn't it convenient for the obama administration that the irs now says it has suddenly realized it lost lois lerner's e-mails requested by congress and promised by commissioner john koskinen? do they really expect the american people to believe that after having withheld these e-mails for a year. they're just now realizing the most critical time period is missing, end quote. betsy joins me now, hi. >> hey, there. >> it is hard for some people to grasp that it's possible to lose e-mails in this day of high technology. >> absolutely. and on top of that, the federal records act is in place. specifically so that federal records like this won't disappear, for example, if a computer crashes. there's law already on the books making it so that this isn't supposed to happen. and sources that i spoke with earlier said it's possible someone in the irs violated this law by failing to back up lois lerner's e-mails. >> is that it? is that the end of the story? or is there another ave

cat congressman issa chairs this house overnight hearing. the right to organize around issues and values that they believe in. [silence] >> the committee will come to order. the oversight committee a exists to secure two fundamental principles. first, americans have a right to know that the money washington through the irs takes from them is will spend. second, americans deserve an efficient and effective government that works for them. our duty of the oversight and government reform committee is going in fact, to protect these rights. our solemn responsibility is the old government accountable the taxpayers because taxpayers have a right to know what they get from a government. our job is to work tirelessly in partnership with citizen what start to deliver the facts of the american people and bring genuine reform to the federal bureaucracy. without objection the chair is authorized to declare a recess of the committee at a time. without objection so ordered. the committee meets today as we continue our effort to get the treat them the full

daryl issa -- darrel issa calling for investigation. >> lois lerner targeted chuck grassley.on growing. >> good morning. here we go again with lois lerner. this could be the tipping point to actually pull in a special prosecutor. we know learner was involved in the irs effort to target political groups that were entangled in that at least. now she is accused of targeting chuck grassley of iowa. this began in 2012. but for some reason learner received an invitation to speak at an event that was meant for grassley. here's what she wrote in an e-mail to other irs officials. looked like they were inappropriately offering to pay for grassley's wife. perhaps we should refer to exam. the official reigned in learner saying an audit would be premature but for republicans this is more evidence that the irs is being used to target conservatives. >> this case calls for true special independent prosecutor who has the ability to issue car rants, to cease material, to safeguard documents and other information before it goes away and get to the truth. >> here's what the irs said. as a genera

darrell issa will answer that question. >> the revolutionary war. who did we fight there? >> china. >> china? [ laughter ] >> also ahead, why do people who don't know anything go in front of tv cameras with watters? we will tell you. >> vice president of the united states of america. >> dick cheney? [ buzzer ] >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> hi, i'm bill bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. first off two news briefs about key primaries during the broadcast this evening. pithy, we will keep it pitty, because we have a solid lineup for you. we will begin with this question. were the conservative radio talk show hosts correct about president obama from the beginning. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo? s as you may know bitter divide between. the left basically wants a different america, a progressive place where the federal government calls the shot. the right wants to maintain tradition and believes that smaller government is best. enter, perhaps, the most liberal president in history bara

this time the inspector general and independent agency not controlled by us started that gauges. >> issa questioned why the irs doesn't have a better back up. >> $1.8 million in i.t. is your budget. $1.8 billion. >> if we had the right resources there would be a lot of priorities we would have. >> florida republican praised john koskinen's years of service. >> you're probably in a position at the end of the parade with the broom and shovel here. >> reporter: after not getting enough answers from koskinen and the white house lawyer now a number of top republicans are calling on the president to get personally involved, give the american public the truth on temp males and targeting of conservative groups. >> mike, thank you. the chairman of the joint chiefs and other officials are conducting a late afternoon briefing for senators on iraq. the latest fox news poll indicates few americans believe iraq can defeat islamist insurgents without u.s. help. today iraq's top kurdish leader told secretary of state john kerry the rapid sunni advance has created a new iraq. the u.n. said civilians have

but that's exactly what chairman issa has done. since he became chairman four years ago, he has issued more than 50 unilateral subpoenas. he has never once allowed a debate and he has never allowed a vote. not only do these actions contradict the promises that he made four years ago as the chairman, but they result in unwarranted and abusive subpoenas like the one he issued last night. now, many constituents do care about the issue of the wrongdoing that occurred at the irs. and there are members on the other side of the aisle who i have listened to to try to understand the concerns about the lack of accountability of those individuals who should be held responsible. but unfortunately, that is not what the chairman has allowed us to focus on. any of the hearings that we've had dealing with this matter. in fact, he's used this process to politicize the process and to not focus on the proper oversight or government reform function of the committee. but perhaps this should not be a surprise. because during an interview on august 19, 2

the second day of heated exchanges from representative darrell issa and his committee.emanding answers on how the tax agency could have lost thousands of e-mails on information that they had targeted certain groups like the tea party. the congressman asked if the irs broke the law by not reporting the alleged computer crash. >> is it fair to say the irs broke the federal records act? >> they're required -- any agency is required to notify us when they realize they have a problem that could be destruction or disposal, unauthorized -- >> but they didn't do that? >> that's right. >> did they break the law? >> i'm not a lawyer. >> you administer the federal records act? >> i do. >> if they didn't follow it, can we safely assume they broke the law? >> they did not follow the law. >> strong words. let's bring in our senior political analyst ron brownstein who's joining us. that's a powerful statement from that witness testifying on behalf of the national archives. >> it is a big deal. democrats on the committee and in general in congress i think had made a lot of progress at

darrell issa will answer that question. >> the revolutionary war. who did we fight there? >> china. >> china? [ laughter ] >> also ahead, why do people who don't know anything go in front of tv cameras with watters? we will tell you. >> vice president of the united states of america. >> dick cheney? [ buzzer ] >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> hi, i'm bill bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. first off two news briefs about key primaries during the broadcast this evening. pithy, we will keep it pitty, because we have a solid lineup for you. we will begin with this question. were the conservative radio talk show hosts correct about president obama from the beginning. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo? s as you may know bitter divide between. the left basically wants a different america, a progressive place where the federal government calls the shot. the right wants to maintain tradition and believes that smaller government is best. enter, perhaps, the most liberal president in history bara

she says if representative issa were confident there's a higher conspiracy, lerner would already have uncertainly helps keep people angry. doug? >> well, that's certainly true, but we're not dealing here with prolonged uncertainty. i think political insiders agree that that is corrosive to american democracy. the reason why i think john and pat are on the right page here is we've got to get answers. it isn't clear to me that lois lerner has the answers or will share them. the only way i believe we can get to it is, as pat said, a special prosecutor, somebody with the independence that archibald cox or leone jaworski had during watergate. this is a threat to our democratic values when you tie it into the executive orders of the president and arguable abuse of power. we really need to get to the bottom of what's going on, and i don't think that, frankly, immunity for lois lerner is the way to do it. >> all right. a couple things here. i want to pop up some numbers on the screen. the next question is how problematic or toxic is this issue? first we started sealing some polls dropping for

darrell issa said we need answers here. the e-mails belonging to lois lerner at the center of this controversy, who was in charge of determining who was given tax-exempt status prior to an election season. this exchange here said, wait a minute, i asked you for e-mails. -- >> all of them. >> you say fine, i'll give you the e-mails. but now you're telling me you didn't mean all of them. >> you told us that all e-mails would be provided when you discovered that all e-mails would not be provided, you did not come back and inform us. is that correct? >> all the e-mails we have will be provided. i did not say i would provide you e-mails that disappeared. if you have a magical way for me to do that, i'd be happy to know about it. some of them, not all of them but some of them were not available. i never said i would provide you e-mails we didn't have. >> my time has expired and i've lost my patience with you. >> friday was ways and means. last night at 7:00 it was the oversight committee, darrell issa there. today will be back to

forget darrell issa.ou have a bigger problem with the america and this institution needs to come clean. >> all i'm trying to find out who you guys think was the one at the irs said let's destroy all of these e-mails. >> all of them at this point. all of them. >> guess what, steve? we don't know. >> what if republicans said that? what if we said that? come on, guys. who in the world would do that in the bush administration? that is not the way it operates. when republicans do this, we get those answers. you know how? "the new york times" goes after it every day. "usa today" goes after it every day. "the washington post" goes after it every day. "the boston globe." nbc news goes after it every day. cbs news goes after it every day. >> they go after it too. that is the difference! that is the difference, though! "wall street journal" aggressively covered the chris christie investigation. that is the difference. we don't have any media in our corner defending and covering up. >> nbc, abc, cbs news, "the washi

congressman darrell issa of the house oversight committee is answering with two days of hearings on theatter. the first hearing is scheduled for 7 p.m. this evening with a follow-up from 9:30 tomorrow morning. he offered a preview of what is to come when he sent a letter to him on saturday asking him to answer more than 15 technological questions related to the missing records, like to please provide the name and location of the clean room or similar facility used to attempt to recover data from the hard drive on her computer. other questions, like please explain the architecture and structure of the irs e-mail system and exchange servers and -- please provide the barcode for irs computers issued to lois lerner. giving him no later than 5 p.m. this evening to respond, darrell issa says that he expects a long night of questioning the irs commissioner. back to you. >> thank you. coming up next, we will take a look at the primary research arm of the republican party, a focus on opposition research and the ,ark art of political campaigns when "bottom-line" continues on this monday afternoon

issa ever call you and ask you to come voluntarily? >> no. >> did any of his staff ever ask you to come voluntarily? >> no. >> did he ever explain to you why it was so urgent to come here 7:00 monday night when you were already scheduled to come here the following day? >> no. >> i won't ask to you speculate but i think some might speculate that either people don't think that mr. camp could do the job which i would sort of think suspect. he's been known to be a pretty good member or that there's some kind of competition going on but when chairman camp heard that issa had subpoenaed you tonight. you were all of a sudden of a hearing in camp's committee the following friday. >> correct. >> staff asked if i would be available on friday. they had to get the approval of the agreement of the minority since i understand there's a seven day rule. i told them that i could make myself available on friday. >> now how long did you testify on friday? >> total length of the hearing was 4 1/2 hours with a recess for 45 minutes in the middle. >> i woul

darrell issa had it right saying e-mails from a prominent official like lois lerner don't dwi -- go -- missing unless there is intent. >> they want to keep me records for seven years. they keep e-mails six months? >> anything is possibility. peter pan could be non fiction but this is hard to swallow. the irs lost lois lerner's e-mail and six other people tide to the investigation. i perused reddit before coming on and someone posed the question is this plausible -- could you lose these e-mails. and a whole host of it experts weighed in and not one weighed in saying it was possible. it seems unlikely these e-mails can't be found, and it not it sounds like someone made sure cannot be found. count me unsure. >> they could be recovered from the hard drive but now the news is the hard drive is recycled and thrown out in the garbage. that may put an end to it. >> that is a possibility, i suppose. i am not a computer expert. but some suggest it might be scored elsewhere if they use microsoft outlook you might get. it isn't clear from there this is for good. it raises questions on if this was