>> ithink dallas is catastrophic for lots of reasons, and certainly for people who were interested inconversation around police accountability, it becomes infinitely more difficult to have that conversation because, now, we're much more acclimated or inclined to think about the dangers that police face, something we should be thinking about, but what we rarely talk about is the danger that is involved in being on thr other end of that interaction with the police, and that's not going to happen, at least not for a really longÑjr time right now. >> by all accounts, dallas police, we are told, were judicious in their use of force, racially sensitive, all the things we would hope to expect out of a big-city police department. there's a bit of irony here. >> there is. actually, two ironies, when we look at the philando castile situation in minnesota, he did what a motorist is supposed to do and followed the best protocol and practices. when he's pulled over, he tells the person he has a firearm in the car and is licensed to carry it and from what we know now, it culminates in him being sho