well, itold him that perhaps... i mean, i have great respect for president 0bama.resident in many ways. none of us are perfect. but when he said that, that was, to me, i said maybe, maybe cerebrally one could feel thatjim was the highest priority, but in action, president 0bama had essentially tied the hands of anyone in our government who could have helped to bringjim home. mm. so i told him that. i want to focus in on your personal decision in the years after 2014 to learn more about the men who had taken and ultimately killed jim, and ultimately, your decision to meet one of them. well, that's been more recent. i mean, they, um, alexanda kotey and el shafee elsheikh, two of the british jihadists who... cos there were four britons who were responsible, it seems, for holding and in torturing jim after he was taken. three primarily, but, yes, some say that, um, aine davis was related, but, um, yes, but, um, emwazi was killed by a drone strike. he's believed to be the man who actually killed your son. yes. but alexanda kotey was picked up in 2018. with his colleague