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you know, sleeping in the mal, because that's what you have to do, that itook that's what you have tok my granddaughters in the absolutely loved camping out in london. i often tell people that the only place in there, the united kingdom where you can come for free, is in the mall. so and i did see him there, but the last time i actually got close enough to speak to him and shake his hand was in april 2022, when he came to bishop auckland to open the spanish art gallery with the queen of spain. so that was the last time i saw him. but yes. >> did you speak to him ? >> did you speak to him? >> did you speak to him? >> yes. yeah. did he say , well, >> yes. yeah. did he say, well, the olives do the same things, you know . you know. >> have you come far? but i think he probably knows who am. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> every time he comes to county durham. of course i'm there, yeah. because ijust durham. of course i'm there, yeah. because i just it's my passion, yeah. i'm obsessed. well, that's fantastic . well, that's fantastic. >> anita, it's been so lovely to speak to you this mornin