, when i say people, i mean antifa supporters come whether they are anarchists or not. , for them itterss really important for them to see their violence as distance ensive in nature. whether it is coming from the government or white supremacists, neo-nazis, they see themselves as my violence is ok, because i'm responding to this larger violence. my violence is defensive. individuals become very uncomfortable with the idea of offensive violence. nature,not defensive in for example you do a bombing and you plan a bombing targeting civilians for a political purpose with the intent to terrorize, which is terrorism. many antifa supporters are uncomfortable with that idea and they view that as legitimate. in fact, this we sit incident -- this recent incident, i interviewed an antifa supporter after and it was interesting. if he telling me, look, truly was trying to protect him and his friend from being stabbed, then that would be defensive violence and that's legitimate. hunter, if he was on the and was looking for patriot player activists to kill, that's not legitimate. that's illegitimate v