i think you would -- the itu? i think you would hear a collective groan. i think the industry needs to be proactive, because i do not think it is a reasonable position for them to think they can push of international regulation forever. they need to help people who do not want it to be organizations like the itu. give them ideas of somebody else to work with. >> there are different rules in the eu, china, iran. >> is certainly, regulation that is pure randomness because of government behavior is a deterrent. but things change all the time. i think the notion that, setting forth the framework, there are different sorts of things that could be changed. for example, the neutrality principles that were set up by colin powell at the time, i did not think a lot of sense. i did not think they had a lot of teeth, so i was not in favor of them. move forward a few years, and everybody basically agrees. you should not be able to attach devices that would hurt. you should have a choice. these are principles everyone sort of accepted. the question then is, what do you

and they need to think -- they need to help the people that don't want it to be something like the itu or the u.n.. give them alternatives to work with. >> when we hear from business there, they ask for certainty. they ask for the rules so play by the rules and they know what the rules are. there's rules here in the u.s., e.u., china, iran. >> certainly, regulatory uncertainty, pure randomness is a deterrent to investment. you know, there's nothing certain, and we change things all the time. i think that the notion that, you know, setting forth a framework, there's different sorts of things that can be changed. for example, the net neutrality principles that were spoused by colin powell at the time i didn't think at at time that made sense or had a lot of teeth. i wasn't in favor of them. go forward a few years, you find those principles everybody agrees with. nobody came out and said basically people shouldn't have access to use content that is legal, that they shouldn't be able to attach devices that wouldn't hurt the thing, and they should have choice. everybody accepted that. the q

of the current sort of, you know, if you said, okay, which international agency would to this, the itu? all you have to do is say that in an industry forum, and you get this collective broken. i think -- groan. i think the industry needs to be very proactive because i don't think it's a reasonable position for them to take that, you know, they can essentially push off any kind of meaningful interwith national regulation or cooperation forever, and they need to think, they need to help the people that don't want it to be something like the etu or the u.n., give -- itu or the u.n., give them some alternatives to work with. >> host: but when we hear with buzz, they before business, they ask for certainty. there's rules here in the u.s., the e.u., china, iran -- >> guest: ercertainly pure randomness on the part of government behavior is a deterrent to investment like almost anything is. but there's nothing that's certain, and we change things all the time. i think the notion that, you know, setting forth a framework, there are different sorts of things that could be changed. for example, t