ivan ljubicic open about?e united states fleeing violence during the mexican revolution, which is really what is causing a lot of people to come to the united states today. they are fleeing violence in their home countries. in a lot of ways, my grandfather's family came to the united states as refugees, really. people who are fleeing the walls of central america. —— wars. they are refugees as well. yes, the border has been porous, and there is this idea now which i think sounds very appealing to people who are not from the border all who have no real understanding of the physical landscape of the border, that you can build a wall and stop that. —— oi’ can build a wall and stop that. —— or who have. but of course it is really a ridiculous notion. it is a sort of mediaeval concept. let's go back to the book itself. what you do is, you describe first of all be territory. it is —— its physical presence, and its compelling presence, and its compelling presence, because it is a strange place. it is so rugged and so