but it is not an issue that people agree on. >> ivo, thank you very much. i think that you couldn't have been clearer with saying if the alliance is focused only on collective defense, it's headed for an irrelevant future, and i think after fred and others, we picked up on these thinking global partners was the undeveloped part of the summit agenda where there is still much work to be done. >> just underscore, i'm not saying the collective defense is unimportant. collective defense is the core, but it can't be the sole core. you need to have the cooperative security element, too, and that's what i think the new nato is all about. >> absolutely. thank you very much for your time. thank you for coming to the council and giving your thoughts and reflections after stepping down as ambassador, and thank you for serving our country. [ applause ] >> we're going to make a quick transition into our next panel and move into the final line-up, please. >>> here's a poem that comes directly out of my boyhood in detroit. it's called those winter sundays. sundays, too, my

the second thing, from my perspective, and i'm very much in line with ivo's comments and others. we've got to bring down the reliance on nuclear as a strategic deter rent. . and start to move for the technologies that would allow us to have those kinds of capabilities at the strategic level to deter conflict and increase other options so that our state craft options don't run out prematurely or are less than effective against a wide range of threats. we have to increase the tools on the spacecraft to prevent these things. >> ellen? >> i would say probably, the ability of everybody i know, nevertheless, make sure that's a member of nato, that you really commit to your defense goals. the second thing, i would say, is really look at those things which could enable nato at large to take greater advantage, i think, of its various abilities and to focus of the new strategic and maybe that's an area he hasn't totally taken advantage of, like cyber. make sure the nato members are protected. so all these things that need nato to be able to practice. and the next ting that right now are on

todas fr la misma lÍnea este tricolor que estÁ en la final luego de vencer a argentina gran torneo para ivoetiÓ argentina. para su boleto a disputar el tÍtulo. va contra nigeria, este equipo que no cree en nadie. y que no se a chica. es lo mejor. >>> pausa. pero antes recuerdo que los temas im poportanteimportantesÁ en univisiÓn deportes.com. viso teles por favor, no se vaya regresamos. ahora con el partido del heat. >>> lebron esa llegando despues de que habia una falla, se convierte en uno de los que más hacen anotaciones. >>> daniels con esta bloqueada y el contrataque, con los puntos del rey. >>> desde ahi le quebro los tobillos, y era impresionante la ventaja. >>> leonard que termina haciendo una tremenda clavada. >>> anota dos puntos. >>> no pudieron ni meter las manos. >>> más ahora los pacers con indiana. >>> y george llega con el rebote. >>> encuentra y parece triple largo, los pacers con otro triple más y los pacers con 99 a 91. >>> los mets y la primera victoria. >>> atencion con el robo de balon, y en 24 minutos. >>> lopez para adentro y la canasta que se agarra el tablero. >>>

another, but from a purely military standpoint, my opinion -- and i've said this multiple times, as has ivo -- any capability that is on the soil in europe today can be replicated in kind and in availability from a standoff

ivo, thanks for your comments. i think you raised the critical question, will nato be around in a substantive way when we need it or it needs itself? as you know, one of the things nato has not done well is to provide a strong message as to why it's important. now, perhaps we won't have the same christmas that lord is may said when he said the reason was to keep the russians out, us in and germans down. why do you think nato has had such a tough time coming up with a message and what would you put as a core of that message, realizing that defense spending will go down substantially, not up? >> i think that's a very fair and very important good question. i think we have gone through a period, frankly, since the end of the cold war where we believe that we're in sort of a new n nirvana, a place in which conflict doesn't occur, and if it occurs, it's economic, not military. where in a -- what do -- robert cooper call it, a post-west failing world, and that somehow working together sharing sovereignty, focusing on the

. >> ambassador to nato ivo daalder talks about what makes up the nato organization. his comments were part of the 2014 summit in great britain and this is one hour. >> good afternoon, everyone, let me welcome you back. my name is damon was on and i'm here at the atlantic council and we are delighted to welcome ambassador for his speech for challenges for the future and we are so pleased to have him here because today will be his first speech since he stepped down as the permanent representative since last summer and he is giving a speech is a new board director, which will be so important. he is so thoughtful and frank and we have the opportunity to hear from him, unencumbered by any government position. after four years as serving tomato, we will have an opportunity to hear from him with what he learned during his time at the alliance and the lessons for the future not just for next year post 2014 afghanistan, but that as well. and that is where he served in the united states for four years from may of 2,092,013. during a tumultuous and significant time and he was a

senator ivo named bandit once in a foreign country, was greeted by the fbi agent barry and his remarkwas, well, i guess the sun never sets on the fbi. the other agent was very polite and everything, but he could've easily replied you know the sun never sets on u.s. interests either, pal. [applause] >> thank you very much. any other thoughts or will open up to the floor. >> i can't top that. >> i have to say this, we have a lot of agreements and initiatives, especially things i had to talk about the americas, with the americas. i'm very concerned as to have the money being used to help his being misused. and whether money is going. a lot of money has been lost and more concerning to me is to see that a lot of people that we have trained to combat organized crime, they themselves have become the supporters, the promoters of organized crime. and then we end up extraditing them and trying them here in the united states because they knew the how and who to communicate. i'm very concerned and i think we're wasting a lot of money and we need to pay attention to how the money is invested. >>