>> very much the way richard haass and ivo daalder do.ent obama, well, that was no drama obama. but in the weeks leading up, intelligence, diplomatic and defense officials were filled with dread about the consequences of this. i mean, nothing will change in terms of the u.k. being a major partner. i mean, this is a country that we share language and culture and world view. but as richard said, the concern is that it will be a less effective partner, that is that prime minister cameron and whoever succeeds him will be a distracted partner, that they will be potentially weaker because -- if there's a breakup in the british isles and a poorer partner, as one official said, who may not even be able to make the 2% threshold in n.a.t.o. finally, of course, there's the question about whether it weakens u.s. diplomatic leverage in europe. some people feel that's been overstated. it wasn't terribly effective to work through britain, say, to get germany last year to soften the terms for greece, but, still, with europe -- with the u.k. having a seat

let's get insight from ivo daalder. resident of the youago council on global -- spend a lot of time in brussels we might see a-- dissolution of the european union. how worried about that are you? ivo: you ought to be concerned about it. it is the biggest blow to the european project we've ever seen. britain joined over 40 years ago and they have now voted to leave. in saw immediate reaction .he netherlands and france the politics stimulated by this vote, the nationalism that is hasng up on the continent been fostered by this vote. we will have to see how well the european leaders and the u.s. can work to keep it all together. how sympathetic were you to the concerns of the leave campaign? ivo: there was this feeling that there was a systematic democracy imposing its will on the people and that is not just in britain. it is felt in other parts of europe as well. including the netherlands and france, two countries that were part of the original european economic community when it was formed in the late 1950's. having losse