facebook but prime minister david cameron defended it saying it sends back tough message arches ivor bennett reports now from one. four years behind bars for the riot that didn't even happen jordan black sure and perry sutcliffe kenan were banged up for inciting disorder on facebook no one turned up after their invitation to riot which they later said was a drunken joke but now they face sentences even tougher than most looters and i worry is that it is an imbalance a four year sentence for example would normally be given to somebody for a previous portly harm for holding someone up with a knife or even for. some form of sexual assault so it seems to me that that there is a danger that the courts are moving into disproportionate territory not actually devalues our response to more serious crimes to governments encourage courts to dish out harsh sentences by using the public disturbance as an aggravating factor it's meant this man anderson fernandez could even be sent to jail for theft of just two scoops of ice cream because like this one denying bail to most offenders and ignoring any claims

ivor bennett reporting there from london and keeping up with the response from britain they have sworn to stand by the fragmented transitional government in the days and weeks ahead but self interest may be the driving force behind the london's promises that's according to john reese the stop the war coalition got rid of gadhafi and nobody going to shed any tears for that brutal dictatorship but i imagine that what most people in libya don't want is to swap the rule of gadhafi for that of the western powers and part of the problem here is of course the way in which he has fallen today has been the single biggest day of nato air operations in the entire history of this intervention so it's quite clear. he will come to power as the proxy use of the western powers and the western powers don't do this without asking for a payback and they will be asking for a payback if i were a libyan and i were listening to david cameron's speech or if i had listened to what nato said earlier that they want to assist the transition i mean heaven knows what a military alliance supposedly assisting a trans

all sparked from what was initially a peaceful protest over a police shooting in south london as ivor bennett is following the story there's no guarantee things won't flare up again tonight like they have done the last three nights because last night certainly in several areas of london the police simply didn't have any control whatsoever the word to describe it is lawless he was complete mayhem in places like ealing in west london clapham in southwestern croydon in the southeast where it was widespread looting buildings and vehicles being set on fire and when i say the police didn't have any control for example in clapham they weren't there for over an hour and the looters and the use had to have the free run of the main department store there for well over an hour and all the shops in the main high street were smashed in and just and around santa really and . now people were just taking what they could mobile phones trainers and things like that and there has been. some real shock by residents in that area who are speaking to me last night saying how can this happen here that's quite an aff

cross live now to london to get the latest details of what's happening in the british capital ivor bennett joins us live or three days of violence and destruction here are there any signs of these riots winding down i mean is there a sense that police are unable to cope with the situation. or things about as we got a lot calmer this morning as come a sense of safety but there's no guarantee things won't flare up again tonight like they have done the last three nights because last night certainly in several areas of london the police simply didn't have any control whatsoever the word to describe it is lawless he was complete mayhem in places like ealing in west london clapham in southwestern croydon in the southeast where there was widespread looting buildings and vehicles being set on fire and when i say the police didn't have any control for example in clapham they weren't there for over an hour and the looters and and the use that had to have the free run of the main department store there for well over an hour and and all the shops in the main high street was smashed in and just and ran

absolutely ivor bennett thanks very much indeed for joining us this update from london investigative journalist and author of michelle golan says the e.u.'s concern for libya's future has little to do with the interests of the libyans themselves. the key question is indeed oil it is well known that it is a wall for all that these so-called position government has promised to give the old two from. great britain and the united states actually this government does not exist it's to put government and of course it's about our it's always about pork you have many disagreements inside the alarms the airlines crisis the consider themselves the cup of the world and asked. after us live yes sorry afghanistan libya who are they going to attack the key question is when will the public opinion wake finally and say we don't need these kind of aggressions we don't the killings we don't think of the results as we need a solution to the economic and social problems of europe and united states. well the speculation arising out of what's ahead for rebels when we are interested in your opinion on the

a peaceful protest over a police shooting in south london aren't you clever bennett is there our moment and joins us live ivor how is the atmosphere in the streets now any signs of new clashes. oh i'm in the place called clapham junction which is in southwest london and it was one of the worst hit areas last night we widespread looting vandalism. and arson as well and this area behind me is still been cordoned off by the police is the main crossroads in the area and the main high street with all the shots on it and the ground is really listed with glass a lot of the shop windows have been smashed in and the police are still treating this area is a crime scene right now there hasn't been any repeat of the violence we saw last night here but just from being here in our seven speaking to the masses cry in the residence the congregating around the police barrier they've been saying that the word on the street is that wandsworth an area just five minutes away down the road is next actually and that's the fear isn't that that's where the fear is amongst residents that the there are plans to vandalize and further do