>> in the stairs of ivory madison's house. >> interior stairs? >> interior, yes. >> and how long did you speak with ms. peralta haynes beforehanding the phone to ms. madison? >> i do not remember, but i just was so panicking and i said to her, my neighbor called the police and i was -- and when i hand the phone to ivory, i was trying to someone speak in english maybe could explain better that i do not want the police involved. >> so you don't -- >> so i just say help me, help me talk with this. she called the police. >> so you don't know how long you were talking with ms. peralta haynes before you handed the phone to ms. madison? >> how long i was talking who with who? >> with ms. peralta haynes before you handed the phone to ms. madison? >> how long i was talking with ms. peralta haynes? how long it takes to say -- 30 seconds, one minute. >> ok. and what did you hear ivory madison say to ms. peralta haynes? >> i really was trying to pay attention but i couldn't understand anything ivory said. i was so shaking. >> ok. after ivory madison handed th

now, what's the first line of the email that you wrote to ivory madison? >> i am agreed with everything. >> and by that you meant you agreed with everything she wrote to you? >> do you want to explain what i mean with that? >> you wrote i am agree with everything. do you mean you agree. >> yes, in her email. she said. >> ms. lopez, i haven't finished my question. as of january 2, when you wrote this, did you agree with everything that she wrote to you? >> she said in her email, you have to call -- i don't remember which line it is, but i know that she said that you have to call the police to just say theo had run into -- i think she took that run outside from this email -- just stay still and run into a neighbor's house or down the street and lock yourself in the car or in the same room with him even if he's calmed down, whatever is needed. every time there is an incident. >> ms. lopez, you may have misunderstood my question. i only asked you if when you wrote in on january 2 you were saying you agreed with everything. >> i was agreed if that happened, i a

>> i do not remember. >> you went over to ivory madison's house on the morning of january 4? >> if i went to see ivory on january 4? yes. >> ok. and as of january 4, did you have some concerns about what would happen if you were to call the police regarding what your husband did on december 31? >> to call the police was never my idea. i was not thinking to calling the police. >> i asked you a little different question. the question is, did you have concerns about what would happen if you called the police? >> how i already said to call the police was not my idea. i was not thinking of that and call the police so i couldn't be thinking what could happen if i call the police. >> did that issue come up in your conversation with ms. madison on january 4, calling the police? >> of course, that was -- is why she was calling me. her plan was to convince me to call the police and she brought all these new plans about the police. >> i move to strike as nonresponsive and speculative. >> repeat your question. chairperson hur: can i have the question back, please? [the court reporter read

and was that when ivory madison told you? >> yes. >> ok. did you have any inkling before 3:30 there was an open police investigation? >> as a good friend and as a good lawyer, she waits three hours to let me know she opened an investigation. i think she was really taking care of me. >> i'll move to strike that response. >> sustained. ms. lopez, you need to answer these questions. >> ok. no. >> and were you on the phone with linnette peralta haynes when you found out from ms. madison there was a police investigation? >> no. >> how long after you found out there was a police investigation did you get a call from ms. peralta haynes? >> i

. >> uh-huh. >> had ivory madison offered to get some information for you? >> yes. >> you also mentioned that there's a line here that says, looks like ross, in doing research, too, i assume that means looks like ross is doing research, too? just a typo? >> yes. >> ok. what was your husband doing on january 1 with regard to what had happened on december 31? >> at the end of the day on december 31, we had a conversation and i told him this cannot happen, this is wrong, and i was telling him we need therapy, counseling. i was telling him that for the last year, and i think this is an important moment and you have to realize that we need help and he said, you are right. he realized that that was wrong and he took it very seriously, and he told me i'm going to looking for someone and i say i'm going to looking for someone, too. >> you mentioned that. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. so when i said ross is doing research, too, i think he was in the computer looking for information. i thought that. >> ms. lopez, you mentioned you had been suggesting to your husband for th

that out. >> during the defense of your husband's criminal case, did you give information about ivory madison to political consultants? did you give information about 53 madison to political consultants? >> i will interpose a relevance objection to this entire line of questioning. whatever this witness did, it doesn't have any relevance to the inquiry. >> i presume that when you say that you will be able to tie it to the sheriff. >> i think the legitimate inference can be drawn given the attorney client privilege. i can't explore whether there were conversations that went from person to attorney or a journey to a person, but i can't argue the inference if i established these facts. >> let's see what the answer is. but we are about to cut you off. >> i am close to being finished. >> you want to know if i talk with the consultants, if i gave the information? >> about ivory madison to your husband's political consultants during the defense of this criminal case? >> i was always talking with my attorney. are you referring to gm? -- jim? >> the witness may have a hard time understanding. >> i don'

>> no. >> now, later in the day, you sent ivory madison an email on the 1st? >> i do not remember. >> so for the commission, i'm going to go to exhibit 48 and ms. lopez, you do have exhibit binders in front of you that are tabbed. exhibit -- rather large, exhibit 48 is in the larger binder. ms. lopez, if i can approach the witness? chairperson hur: yes.

>> no. >> now, later in the day, you sent ivory madison an email on the 1st? not remember. >> so for the commission, i'm going to go to exhibit 48 and ms. lopez, you do have exhibit binders in front of you that are tabbed. exhibit -- rather large, exhibit 48 is in the larger binder. ms. lopez, if i can approach the witness? chairperson hur: yes. >> while the commissioners are getting their binders i'll ask you to look at that email that's exhibit 48 and i'll have a couple of questions for you.

and provide them with information about ivory madison? >> objection, relevance. >> overruled. >> what's the question? >> during the defense of her husband's criminal case, did you meet with people that were not attorneys and give them information about ivory madison? >> [inaudible] >> use a communications with non-attorneys are going to be covered by attorney-client privilege? >> i can explain, if you want. >> i can rephrase the question. >> is that right? thank you for working that out. >> during the defense of your husband's criminal case, did you give information about ivory madison to political consultants? did you give information about 53 madison to political consultants? >> i will interpose a relevance objection to this entire line of questioning. whatever this witness did, it doesn't have any relevance to the inquiry. >> i presume that when you say that you will be able to tie it to the sheriff. >> i think the legitimate inference can be drawn given the attorney client privilege. i can't explore whether there were conversations th

. >> that was after you sent the text message to ivory madison? >> i do not recall that, i think, yes. >> so ms. lopez, if you thought ivory madison was calling your husband's political enemies, why did you follow her advice and talk to cali williams? >> oh, because at this point i didn't know she was -- no, i did -- at that point i knew she

>> yes. >> the words you used were not words ivory madison gave to you. they were your words, right? >> she also told me i really did not get it. i did not understand what she said, but she said to use the words that he pushed you and all those things, and when i was talking, i was saying, that did not happen. i am not going to say that. i am going to say the truth. this happened yesterday. >> what you said on the tape was the truth? >> yes, he grabbed my arm. >> had you on prior occasions consulted and talk with ivory about your relationship with ross? >> as a friend, she shared with me saying is about ivory, and i said of course. >> i am asking the new share incidents relating to your relationship with ross? >> yes. >> how frequently did you do that in the 12 months prior to december 31 chairman -- december 31? >> if you check that e-mails, they are over a year, so that means i was checking yesterday. that means these are now one or two e-mails. most of them are in march, when we were back and forth e-mails, because she suggested we look for a cleaner t

now, do you think ivory madison is trying to get your husband politically? >> well, a person who said screw him, i have a lot of friends ready to help. they just need to make the decision what that means. >> do you think it was ivory madison's goal to ruin your husband politically? >> i have to object, relevance. >> ms. lopez has made it relevant through her declaration. >> overruled. >> i do not think that, because on january 1, that was not her plan. >> but on january 4 it was her plan, you thought? >> she was telling me screw him. that is not let's work on your marriage or something positive. >> ok. was ivory madison donating the maximum amount by law to your husband's campaign part of her conspiracy to get him. >> objection, it's argue meanttive. >> sustained. >> ivory madison hosted a fundraiser for your husband's campaign. >> objection. that's not a question. >> mr. keith, please phrase it as a question. >> did ivory madison host a fundraiser for your husband's campaign? >> we put her name in the cards but she didn't do anything. >> she donated money t

>>chairperson hayon: you mentiod she had never heard of ivory madison. you did not know that it was she that you were speaking with on that phone call. madison posted a big fund-raiser for share of mirkarimi. i am surprised that you would not have known about it or have heard her name in the context. >> i did not work on -- like i said, when you have campaign managers, they can take on different roles. i did not want -- work on the finances. there was a different person, who was doing the finances and the other person they had as a treasure. i was focused on organizing the volunteers and make -- making sure we had presence at different events and getting out the vote, we had a different focus. someone wide to give out money, i was able to direct them to who was handling the finances but i never work on the fund. there was also a campaign coordinator. chairperson hayon: at the end that you have described this day with all these phone calls and quite a bit of drama, really, and stress, at the end you start off saying your concern for eliana but that at the

this is after the we have conversation with ivory madison, where eliana seemed very upset. you remember the content >> i just remember at that time that eliana was very upset. she did state that "that is not what i wanted", and she said that to me. >> did you give suggestions? >> no. i was there to a listen and be present and to validate her feelings. thinking of handling the situation projects know. she was just upset. business support. nothing else. did she give you more support? but she did say she felt betrayed. n«m1yamñdp:does this help youd that she was drafting this? >> objection. -- sustained. aha -- >> she did not talk about this in the phone call. t>> to keep the timeline it intact, you finished at 4:12. that was 4:14. at 4:14, you called ms. lopez back for approximately one minute. -- >> i was hoping that she did connect with ross? >> hello, dear. i have been calling therapistslz and lawyers. i do not want to make decisions victim as well. he could not escape from his circumstances. he could get married with a shy, quiet, but he got married to made. i want to t

goo>> why did you think it was relevant to talk to your neighbor, and ivory madison? >> she called me in december, and she said, can you call me so we can plan our goal for the new year? i said, can you take care of theo. i said, i will be there. i was mad and ross, so i said it was perfect. i went to see her. that was the conversation december 31. we plan for the next day. the next day i went to her home, and she started to talk about she is in therapy, and she mentioned my therapist. my therapist told me i have anger issues, and i thought, and who really? anchor issues, -- anger issues, and i think i would like the number, because i would like to share your professional opinion. that is how i started the conversation, and i remember when she mentioned dasthat. i said, i really need your professional opinion about this. it was as a lawyer, because she is always repeating that she is a lawyer. >> did she understand what you meant about that when you said professional experience? did she understand, and did you make it very clear you were seeking official who legal cou