j david mcswain, author of pandemic ink chasing the capitalist and thieves who got rich while we got ck. david joins us now. let me begin by asking you about the title of that book. it includes the phrase capitalists and thieves. obviously those are not the same thing. is it fair to say that some of his money was made legitimately? >> sure. i mean, you know, one chapter in the book i focus on the development of vaccines. that is a product that is extremely valuable that the u.s. government invested really heavily and. but a few people who were at the right place at the right time made, you know, many hundreds of millions of dollars. i don't loft them in with profiteers who, you know, really saw an opportunity to take advantage and lie and cheat and steal. >> gives us an example of the latter. some of the biggest games he found. not sure. there was just this frenzy in the early months of the pandemic because the federal government was so ill prepared. we had something like 1% of what we needed in the strategic national stockpile in terms of masks and gloves and gowns and things. we saw