j. ann selzer.l 2024 presidential poll showing vice president, harris leading in iowa, finding out the lawsuit was filed last night. >> jeh, iplayer dumb country lawyer on tv. you are a great city lawyer in real life. >> sometimes. >> mika told me i was too dismissive. >> i just think the overall -- >> you should not say that cbs will not win their lawsuit, the 60 minutes thing, that seems pretty obvious. right here we are now talking about a lawsuit for every pollster? because they got something wrong? i mean, i just, you tell me, is there a judge in iowa or in america that is going to allow that to get past that for election interference? the answer to that, joe, is possibly, depending on the judge, frankly. we all know about judge shopping. for example, immigration based pro enforcement lawsuits are brought in the brownsville division of the southern court of texas and pro-immigration reform, programmer -- pro- migrant issues are brought to eastern new york. >> what are the chances of him winning

j. ann selzer. so i want to ask you, shermichael, is this a scare tactic? you heard the question there about this isn't just legacy media that could be sort of threatened or sued, but anybody that makes a negative comment, is it a scare tactic to keep people from from doing, you know, negative reporting, if that's what is out there yeah. >> i don't know if it's a scare tactic, but i do know in our country, we permit everyone under our current laws to file a lawsuit if they have a potential claim against someone and that litigation will will move forward or it will fail on its merits, a judge will look at the allegations. a judge will assess whether or not it should move forward, and if it can't move forward, then the judge will dismiss it. if the judge does believe that there is potentially enough there to move forward, then it should move forward, as it would for me as a regular individual or the president of the united states. i wouldn't necessarily distinguish the difference. so i don't know if it's a scare tactic any more than it is the president elect

j. ann selzer all over the one poll that the paper published right before the election, showing him trailingident kamala harris. >> their newspaper, which had a very, very good pollster who got me right all the time. and then just before the election, she said i was going to lose by 3 or 4 points. in my opinion, it was fraud and it was election interference now that poll was wrong. >> trump ended up winning iowa by 13 points, but fresh off winning a $16 million payout from abc news as he settled a defamation case. we are seeing trump saying that he wants to open up his legal playbook against the media i feel i have to do this. >> i shouldn't really be the one to do it. it should have been the justice department or somebody else. but i have to do it. but we have to straighten out the press my sources tonight are sarah matthews, former deputy press secretary in the first trump administration, and elliott williams, a former federal prosecutor. >> elliott on this, trump said it's election interference. now, the poll was wrong. it was very wrong. but is it election interference? is it fraud as tr