j. edgar hoover fbi building. david: it is interesting you mention j. se every generation or so the fbi, because it is such a powerful organization does need a shake-up. there was a time j. edgar hoover got very full of himself, believed he could do anything, spy on anybody they wanted to. they had to reform themselves then. then nixon. every generation, this seems to be one of those moments you have to really shake up the fbi and make them adherable to the rules of law and order that we all have to adhere to. >> not only that, they have to be accountable to somebody in the government and that congress certainly has that role to play. it is an executive branch agency and congress, as the legislative branch has oversight responsibilities. david: now the difference about this particular scandal, and again, the fbi has had scandals before, in the past the media has been focusing on the scandals. i hold in my hands here, my print-stained hand, three newspapers from "the new york times." monday, tuesday, and wednesday, with all of this news breaking about the

j edgar hoover. hoover had helped put together the list used in the first red scare and a round up. nonetheless he managed to escape the political fall out of that. the pure row rebounded within the decade. he wanted to emphasize the rules of the crime fighting organization. particularly during the '30s during the depression you had criminals. john dollinger, for example. hoover emphasizes this and knows how to work the media in his favor. the bureau's reputation rebounds. fdr is concerned, though, concerned about soviet spies and concerned about faction fascism. fascism is on the rise in europe. there are several u.s.-based groups that emerge after hitler's rise to power. large enough that the american nazi party can rally in madison square garden. immediately after hitler invades poland, the fbi is authorized to investigate espionage, treason, and sack damage. it's unclear how much franklin roosevelt, how his attorney general, people high up in the government knew about the extent what hoover would do. there's no record of that particular meeting and what was said in it. and roose

j. edgar hoover. it compiles files on roughly 200,000 individuals and those files are then used to round up several thousand suspected radical ns radicals in a series of raids. some of the people rounded up are well-known prominent radicals, emma goldman, a russian immigrant to the united states. other people are arrested simply because they appeared foreign. they were members of a labor union and so forth. many of those arrested were held without communication for months, no access to lawyers, their families. 249 resident aliens are put on a boat and deported to russia at the end of 1919 because of their alleged anarchist beliefs. there is a tremendous political backlash against this because many of these people who are rounded up are not engaged in radical, violent behavior. they are political dissidents. maybe they hold very radical views. no nonetheless, they have not engaged in anything. some of them are simply immigrants, immigrants from russia, southern and eastern europe. the political backlas

but we've always said whether it's j edgar hoover or anybody else we have a right to our privacy as americans. we fought a revolution for that. we've upheld a constitution for that. let's not vote down a significant part of our own constitution. >> there's two reasons we are filibustering this. we think the forms are not being able to vote on our reforms. senator wyden and i have a bill, senator lee has a bill and they overlap between the two bills but we insist there be at least debate which means votes on whether this should be more adequate reform. a big thing is if you are going to look at americans information, you ought to get a warrant from a judge. yes. announce whoyou are and what network, please . >> are you confident that if the bill is passed out of the senate today that the national security agency will commit to ending collections or you do you think legislation is needed? >> if the bill passes, the one they are putting forward. i'd like to hear from some of the others on this but our belief is that the bill codifies away where they can restart collection and that there is more

j. edgar hoover, appointed head of the bureau of investigation at the age of 29, younger than i am. hoover had helped put together the list used in the first red scare to round up a swath of people. he managed to escape the political fallout of that, the blade came down the heads of a few people higher up than him and the bureau rebounded within that decade. hoover really tried to emphasize the bureau's role as a crime fighting organization, particularly in the 1930s when, during the depression, have you famous criminals that rise, people like john dillinger, people that the fbi put in a lot of work in capturing. hoover knows how to work the media in his favor. the bureau's reputation rebounds. fdr is concerned about soviet spies and fascists. fashi fascism is on the rise in europe. enough that they can hold a rally in madison square garden. immediately after adolf hitler invades poland, treason and sabotage, all federal crimes. but hoover also adds to that list sub verversive activities. how many franklin roosevelt, his attorney general, people high up in the government knew the ext

j. edgar hoover, anybody else, we have a right to privacy in america. we fought a revolution for that. we have upheld our constitution for that. let's not vote down a significant part of our own constitution. >> realize there's two reasons we are filibustering this. we think the reforms are inadequate but we also object to not being allowed to vote on our reforms. senator wyden and i have a bill. senator leahy and lee have a bill. there is an overlap between the two bills with you we insist there at least be debate which means votes on whether there should be more adequate reform. a big thing for us is if you are going to look at americans' information you ought to get a warrant from a judge. with that we'll have questions. yes. if you announce who you are and what media network, please? reporter: with communications daily. are you confident if the bill is passed out of the senate today that the national security agency will commit to ending about collections or do you think legislation is needd? >> if the current bill passes the one they're putting forward, i'd like to hear from some

j. edgar hoover the f.b.i. because he had dirt on everybody yeah you know and now when you kind of give not just the trump administration but any administration going on down the line this kind of you know ability to move monies and work in conjunction with the cia or n.s.a. to kind of you know throw funding over here to this you know black budget operation that maybe congress wouldn't approve of or the american people would write of why would you not me it's interesting because this this new provision first appeared in the house version of the bill that was like last week that modified get this a seventy year old law that was chartered like that was first chartered when the cia came into being it was like back then and a member my dad always told me that whenever you see government you know changing something that's been in place for a long period of time out of the blue when no one asked for a star watching now because something something must civitas is underfoot his every move. c.v.s. because they're doing

j. edgar hoover cat you know dresses up like carmen miranda lives with his mother nut case a total nut case is running government out of fear and out of this very type of thing out of taking information and using it where he wants he's that's where we are now and for the american public not to understand how serious this is the only way they'll see it is massive hearings that look just like the church hearings where we start calling these people to testify about all parts of this because they're all connected well let me ask you this mike you know you bring up you know we need the church here and i love that idea and i think we need to start you know really getting to the root of this and really saying let's let's do the reset button let's start over root all this out how do we get the ball rolling how does your average citizen get that ball rolling to start with judges does it where does the five part is that you know work and be an american law can good attorneys where can people suddenly start making these changes and making that difference to make this happen . unfortunately it takes it

j. edgar hoover the f.b.i. because he had dirt on everybody yeah you know and now when you kind of give not just the trump administration but any administration going on down the line this kind of you know ability to move monies and work in conjunction with the cia or n.s.a. to kind of you know throw funding over here to this you know black budget operation that maybe congress wouldn't approve of or the american people would write why would you not me it's interesting because the spur this new provision first appeared in the house version of the bill that was late last week that modified get this a seventy year old law that was chartered like that was first chartered when the cia came into being it was like back then and a member my dad always told me that whenever you see government you know changing something that's been in place for a long period of time out of the blue when no one asked for store watching now because something something must civitas as underfoot his every move. because they're doing everyth

j. edgar hoover summoned this man to washington. he said he needed to see him right away. now, tom white is also a remarkable man ended some ways he is like molly and reflected and embodied the transformation of a country. he was born in a cabin in texas on the frontier. he was from essentially a tribe of walden. his father was a sheriff. he grew up and saw people being harmed. he became a texas ranger asked d many of his brothers. he practiced law riding on a horse with a perl handled gun at a time justice was often needed by this poking barrel of a gun and by the 1920s, 192 1925 men n hoover suddenly summoned him to washing he has to wear a suit, he has to learn techniques like fingerprinting, handwriting analysis would be an important part of the case and he has to file paperwork which he can't stand and when he gets to the bureau, he doesn'bureau, he doey hoover summoned him that hoover at the time was replacing many of the old frontier involvement with a new breed of age and. these college boys who type faster than they shot. and in fact they had very little criminal

. >> last time america faced a politicized fbi was under j edgar hoover, larger than life called personalitywhere the president is feared. this time it is different, hundreds of elected bureaucrats that are part of the swamp in washington, thinking they are above the law. a lot of emails going back and forth, and the tongues -- demonstrable. heather: the timing of the missing texts is key as well. >> absolutely. the inspector general told congress they had all -- november 2016. last week miraculously they didn't have -- and may 17, 2017, significant because covers the firing of comey, the inauguration, magically recovering these texts the very day robert mueller was appointed special counsel. under section 18, usc 15-19 a federal crime punishable by 20 years in prison for destruction, alteration or interference of documents, electronic or otherwise to an investigation. this is a paper trail electronic crime, once verizon or at&t are subpoenaed or examination of these. can honestly be made. heather: they say it is samsung, technical glitch, delete these text messages, disappeared on purpose.

j. edgar hoover ran it. it was a terrible agency. so it's not like it's some new innocent thing. my sense is that i would hope it get cleaned up but it didn't totally. lou: look at where we're headed here. the president sitting down with mueller against the wishes of many. >> me too. >> who feel it's -- first of all, it honors a man who right now looks to be connected and conflicted and in association with a corrupt doj leadership and a corrupt fbi leadership. >> well, i'd like to know where mueller is going. this is obviously supposed to be a russian investigation. lou: we know there's no evidence of a russian. >> there's no evidence of that. and i agree with professor dershowitz, there's going to be a serious conflict here and a separation of power. and i think to a certain extent mueller is going way over his skis and isn't going to find anything. i think the president has to be very very careful. lou: he seems to be on a determined course to aid in the subversion of this administration, this president because his attack is on the president himself. >> well, the absurdity of a

j. edgar hoover days parts of those years were highly politicized but its beginning to look as though nothingouched the fbi during the obama years. >> recently retired and active duty fbi agents have told me and several of them that they consider comey to be a dirty cop lou: a dirty cop and one whose certainly bias as he talks about -- his tweets with bible versus and whatever else he's been writing recently. and the photography that he has committed out in the midwest. the list goes on. lou: let's turn to the intel committee. i took that it devon nunes the chair of the house intelligence committee was actually somewhat the speaker paul ryan thumbed his nose at the chairman when he met with the head of , well with rod rosenstein to discuss what would be produced. we're seeing that smooth out a bit here today as nunes has been brought into the conversation. your thoughts about how that demand for documents and testimony has proceeded and where it's going now? >> well yesterday's event where director ray and deputy agent rosenstein went up on the hill to meet with the speaker was a staged event

because of course during nixon time, j edgar hoover was primarily the fbi director and he was the collector of files on members of congress, not the reverse where they would have anything on him. certainly anything he would talk about. so it is unprecedented. and it's quite surprising that they were trying to undercut, the attorney general was trying to undercut or learn or get information to undercut his fbi director who had a tenure post that he was only three years into. >> okay. staying with you, another excerpt from this wolff book, fire and fury, he quotes trump making comparisons between having fired comey hand as you were just talking before, watergate, comey was a rat, there were rats every where and he had to get rid of them. john dean, he repeated, do you know what john dean did to nixon? your reaction to just being mentioned in the book, apparently you are being on tv drove the president nuts. do you get the sense that the president understands the independent nature of the doj? >> well, one of the reasons i became a cnn contributor was i was hoping i could get through to him an

by noon today, mccabe had exited the j edgar hoover building in downtown washington. sources say he had been at the fbi for 22 years and was set to retire in march, had no plans to leave today as of last friday. one source saying he was removed by the trump administration after public pressure by the president. that is a charge white house press secretary sarah sanders denialed this afternoon, saying the white house was not involved in the decision making process on mccabe. adding to the mystery of this all is the controversial memo written by house intelligence committee devin nunes, republican of california, which alleges surveillance abuses by the fbi of the trump team. in all the back and forth between justice department and congress over this memo and between republican who's stay public needs to see the nunes memorandum sxoe democrats who say it is misleading, the fbi director, christopher wray, went to capitol hill yesterday to read the memo. the big question, did that have anything 22nd mccabe's departure today? president trump has for years expressed concern

j. edgar hoover. >> the president should have fired him on january 21 when he did. >> katie: the president have saved himself heartache if he would have taken the evidence and fired him. the classified information they are talking about here, serious questions about whether and chuck grassley is asking whether this professor still has the memos if he returned them to the fbi. what the content was, what the reporter saw. you know, was it physical information or as we just pointed out was it just content? did james comey say this is in the memo or did he physically turn over the memos and guess what? this professor doesn't have a security clearance that alone is a problem. and did you go back to when james comey admitted being the leaker during congressional testimony, there were serious legal questions about whether that was fbi property and considering he wrote it on an fbi computer, it has been deemed to be so. and the classified information makes it a whole lot harder. >> counter that somehow. >> i think there are questions that need to be answered here. all independent occasions are if

j. edgar hoover. he accomplished, he's respected, i admire him.e's respected by the entire intel community. he's thorough. he's going to get to the bottom of this thing. we're going to help in our lane, as the house intel committee and the senate intel committee. we're going to do our job. it's a three-pronged approach we're going to gift taxpayer dollars what they're worth. >> the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein met with speaker of the house, paul ryan, about the house committee's russia probe. what can you tell us about that meeting? >> well, stay tuned. >> come on. you have to give us something here. >> well, you know, i have to balance between being an elected official and honoring the document that i signed not to disclose sensitive information or top secret information but i will say this. i think now more than ever the american people are concerned about the taxpayer dollars but our national security. and those of us who serve on the committee serve honorably. we take it as a great responsibility and we want to make sure that the ame

j. edgar hoover. it's righted itself. it's become a respected institution as it should be. we depend on it. it's got some bad actors like any other institution. we've got plenty of time to deal with that if it happened here. we are in the midst of learning what our president, his family, his campaign, aides, his closest business associates might have done. we are right at the cusp of finding out. that's what we're watching here is their concern that we're at the cusp of finding out, and they don't want us to find out. >> charles grassley tonight releasing more texts between page and strzok. grassley says evidence of them pulling punches in the clinton investigation, one exchange reads page says she might be president, the last thing we need is us going in there ladoad for bear. that's been one of the accusation that they were soft on clinton. >> did you see what fbi director james comey said about clinton after he closed the investigation? in my opinion completely inappropriate. he as a hard-liner in the clinton investigation, he reopened it if you recall right before the v

j. edgar hoover were answers only to itself.od step in the right direction for the fbi to actually turn this information over to congress. congress has oversight. the fbi doesn't operate completely with impunity. losing these really self-righteous moral signaling from james comey's twitter account, seems to get more into that recently about how people shouldn't ever impugn the integrity of the fbi because there are a lot of great agents there. but these people struck who was texting by showing acting so grossly partisan. >> sandra: i can't wait to see what we find from that, whether it's closed-door interviews that happen, documents that nunez is going to get out of this but that's going to be really interesting revelation that we learn about those two who are also having an affair at the time they were exchanging those messages and working on the mueller probe. >> marie: i think we need to get answers, i agree with you. but we also have no evidence at this point that they were personal political views and pack that the investig

j. edgar hoover was the director and civil libertarians, whether they are conservatives or liberals, ought concerned about the potential abuses of t intelligence, whichs why i call for an independent commission, a bipartisan commission, not a political inquiry, to inquire into whether there was influence in the election, influence an election by russia, by the fbi, or anyone else because you are not going to get it when you have partisn disputes by members of congress or a special counsel whose only proper job is to investigate potential crimes. >> sean: have you ever seen at this bad? to use one candidate, a phony dossier they paid for, to be the premise of a fisa warrant against an opposition candidate, and then that incoming president, and then the fbi director is literally believe there i were crimes committed. mishandling of classified information, destruction of classified information. i don't know many people that acid wash their hard drives and beat h the crap out of their mobile devices. they exonerated her before the investigated. >> as you know it -- >> sean: my question is, the

j. edgar hoover, he'sed the longest serving director of the fbi. he knows what he's doing. so president trump should let him do his job and get to the bottom of this if he doesn't have any concerns. >> according to "the new york times" and i'm sure you ready the story the president got very angry when sessions refused to step down, when sessions refused to go against the recommendation of recusal. as we know, he recused himself, but the president got very angry because the president told white house officials according to this report that he needs an attorney general who would be willing to protect him. what does that say to you about the president's understanding of what the attorney general of the united states and the justice department of the united states are all about? >> well, i think that we can look at the great example of president obama. he and director holder had -- a.g. holder had a friendship but they understood that they had to be separate regarding those matters and i think trump should take a cue from president obama and his relationship with attorney gener

j. edgar hoover but this trumps anything we've seen before. joined by now by chuck rosenberg. welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> so plet -- let me ask you this. what is moral like in the fbi right now. >> well there is two morals in the fbi. one is that these men and women are mission oriented and mission focused. and i mean that sincerely. they care about helping victims of financial fraud or finding missing children. that fbi is fine. there is another fbi that listened every day to the drum beat and that hurts. people join the fbi because they believe in what it stands for, fidelity, bravery and integrity, but to have that sort of undermined by the leadership is a difficult thing to listen to every day, chuck. >> what do you make of the text messages? are you disturbed by any of it? >> look, i know those two folks. they are good people. i think they exhibited bad judgment. good people sometimes exhibit bad judgment. and the problem with the text messages of course is that it lends an appearance of impropriety. when robert mueller found out about that, he removed that spec

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king's life, j edgar hoover and the fbi listed him as the most dangerous man in america. i will say that again. the fbi listed king as the most dangerous man in america. i ask you, how can you be the most dangerous man in america when the only weapon you are using is love? my preacher said, you all missed that. -- my preachert said, i think i just said something and you all missed that. how can you be the most dangerous man in america when the only weapon you use is love? are you feeling me on this? i think that means that love is the most powerful force in the world. that is why they were scared. we might put one other weapon in martin's pocket. he used the power of love, but he also had ideas. victor hugo was right. there is nothing so powerful as an idea whose time has come. martin had the right idea at the right time and this notion of love and service. king said all the time, life's most persistent and urgent question is what are you doing for us? service he talked about all the time, he lived to that. i hear king talking to me as a 12-year-old kid. you've got to lov

j. edgar hoover was famous for putting his aum dossier, if you will, on the president and bullying the presidentrved under, more recently, the deputy director under nixon he was angry that he hadn't named tim number one, is sought out bernstein and woodward, thank you. as deep throat orchestrated the process that brought nixon down. we should not be surprised if mccabe, comey, are sitting under the obama administration, not possessed by the same hubris and thought they were saving america with their insurance policy to undermine the campaign of donald trump and have her bed, if he became president to get rid of trump if he became president. that is what i think is driving comey, hubris. >> eric: what if it is not hubris in his point of view, what is the service of the nation, having been in vietnam, prosecutor, he is sticking to the law, and he sees it as is his duty to uphold the constitution? >> he is also the guy that has an awkward timeline in his testimony to congress, who decided, it that mrs. clinton was innocent, supervising and fbi, all of these things that are coming out taking place,

j. edgar hoover and suddenly many are saying we'll give them a pass if they are going after donald trumpight approach. we have to have complete transparency and know what our intelligence agent seals are doing and make sure they are not exceeding their authority or violating the trust of the american people. we need to know everything that happened within the f.b.i., whether it involves investigations of donald trump or anyone else. >> bill: okay. bob goodlatte said 15 minutes ago there will be hearings and people will be called to public hearings. we await more on that. bob mueller used to run the f.b.i. now republicans saying you can't trust him. do you think he should continue to lead the special counsel investigation? are you okay with that? >> robert mueller is a decent man accused of overzealousness by people on the other side but i don't think he is a partisan. i don't think he cares whether his investigation hurts the republicans or democrats. i don't think he is a partisan. i think he is a very, very tough prosecutor. if i'm an innocent person i would like him to be the special

j. edgar hoover fbi that comey was running.is crazy, and people are putting up, gee, we can't question our wonderful department of justice and fbi. well, wait a minute. those are very powerful organizations that can threaten the civil liberties of all americans, and now they're doing it, and they've been doing it to the president of the united states. yes, they need to be called to account, and i don't think it's too late to get rid of mueller and stop this insanity. in fact, if anything, what we've learned seeing that a top justice department official orr, was married to a woman what worked for the democratic opposition research firm, fusion gps that put that phony dossier together and was trying to shop that, this is a top official under the department of justice, and then you had strzok that was supposedly investigating hillary clinton's e-mails. by the way, the 33,000 e-mails, we now know why they were probably deleted, they had to do most likely with uranium one -- neil: well, they weren't all deleteeded, as it turns out.