j. edgar hoover got mentioned i thought what kind of nickname would trump come up with him. but anyway. and i'm going to get a little to general here peter ok to ron and julio but one of the things that really bugs me and i feel that people who do what we do at least at the highest echelons and i'm talking about the highest paid people like a mad cow or or sean hannity if i were king i would force them to get on the third avenue bus with me where it originates way down in the bowery and ride all the way up to one hundred twenty fifth street a couple of times a week because i like to do that i get stories there i meet people there and i interact with the actual public that i then speak to on radio television or via a column and i think that if you're going to call yourself a journalist and you don't do that and instead you ride around in a limousine and make your thirty million a year or whatever it's going to be i don't understand how you feel that you can aptly communicate with the public so i think we have a big problem there i agree it's kind of like being a professional

j. edgar hoover i mean i do ok guys i child at least ok so i mean you know using this you know. our democracy is is under threat and i find that really hard to believe in and i thought it very disingenuous go ahead ron. i'm one hundred percent with you and fact whenever somebody says to me hey trump hijacked our democracy you know i don't like trump but my response is well we were kind of overdue to look into a new one anyway so maybe that's a blessing in disguise and you hit the nail on the head with the status quo comment peter what nobody really wants to talk about in the corporate media is that the status quo is broken and ileo i would say to you you know i think on a lot of issues we probably don't see eye to eye but i think that the reason that moderate has become a quote unquote dirty word isn't necessarily because being moderate is right or wrong but because the status quo is so completely broken and people are disenfranchised as a response to that you know donald trump ran on this idea of some kind of outsider some kind of you know guy that was really going to disrupt t

j. edgar hoover i mean i do ok guys i child at least ok so i mean you know using this you know. our democracy is is under threat and i find that really hard to believe in and i thought it very disingenuous go ahead ron. i'm one hundred percent with you and fact whenever somebody says to me hey trump hijacked our democracy you know i don't like trump but my response is well we were kind of overdue to look into a new one anyway so maybe that's a blessing in this midnight and you hit the nail on the head with the status quo comment peter what nobody really wants to talk about in the corporate media is that the status quo is broken and ileo i would say to you you know i think on a lot of issues we probably don't see eye to eye but i think that the reason that moderate has become a quote unquote dirty word isn't necessarily because being moderate is right or wrong but because the status quo is so completely broken and people are disenfranchised as a response to that you know donald trump ran on this idea of some kind of outsider some kind of you know guy that was really going to disr

j. edgar hoover got mentioned i thought what kind of nickname would trump come up with him prosperously j. edgar but anyway. and i'm going to get a little to general here peter ok to ron and julio but one of the things that really bugs me and i feel that people who do what we do at least at the highest echelons and i'm talking about the highest paid people like a mad or or sean hannity if i were king i would force them to get on the third avenue bus with me where it originates way down in the bowery and ride it all the way up to one hundred twenty fifth street a couple of times a week because i like to do that i get stories there i meet people there and i interact with the actual public that i then speak to on radio television or via a column and i think that if you're going to call yourself a journalist and you don't do that and instead you ride around in a limousine and make your thirty million a year or whatever it's going to be i don't understand how you feel that you can aptly communicate with the public so i think we have a big problem there i mean it's kind of like being a profes

j. edgar hoover i mean i do ok guys my child at least ok so i mean you know using this you know. our democracy is is under threat and i find that really hard to believe in and i thought it very disingenuous go ahead ron. i'm one hundred percent with you and fact whenever somebody says to me hey trump hijacked our democracy you know i don't like trump of my responses well we were kind of overdue to look into a new one anyway so maybe that's a blessing in disguise and you hit the nail on the head with the status quo comment peter what nobody really wants to talk about in the corporate media is that the status quo is broken and it really oh i would say to you you know i think on a lot of issues we probably don't see eye to eye but i think that the reason that moderate has become a quote unquote dirty word isn't necessarily because being moderate is right or wrong but because the status quo is so completely broken and people are disenfranchised as a response to that you know donald trump ran on this idea of some kind of outsider some kind of you know guy that was really going to disr

j. edgar hoover building. the real risk is that the fbi operations are more vulnerable and could be disrupted potentially at a time when these capabilities would be most needed. now all of a sudden we are changing the direction here. it's very difficult for us to understand that. the chairman and the ranking member asked for detailed information about the plans. we got this glitzy 22-page, more photographs than details, about the proposal. and when you take a look at the cost comparisons, many of the costs are not even included in this. for 20% smaller building, you don't include the swing rental issues or building out the new rental spaces. so, mr. chairman, it's difficult for us to understand this. mayor browser has said that she believes that the bests use of this space for the use for the people of the district of columbia is for it to be in private development hands so we're not even paying attention to the local community. so, there's a lot of questions here. i appreciate our witnesses being here. i just

j. edgar hoover stayed as director of the f.b.i. through to the beginning of watergate.ew weeks before the watergate break-in. that piece concludes trump and his minions will not be able to put a scratch on the f.b.i. anchor: we are now going to turn our attention to senegal where we have papers focusing on an education conference as the french president is there co-hosting. >> absolutely. let's go to the senegalese paper. it is bringing a bit of sunshine headline.ry with the in the editorial, it says this is the beginning of a new era of ties between france and senegal. this conference is to raise up to $3 billion for hundreds of african schoolchildren, hundreds of millions of african schoolchildren i should say. in the presence of nine heads of states, 66 ministers, representatives of the world bank and the you in -- u.n., a massive conference. this one is saying the senegalese opposition are going to be wearing red armbands in protest of macron's visit. they say they do not fall for the anti-colonialist rhetoric of the french president. that is the party of the senega

j. edgar hoover. one of the things that president trump ought to consider is renaming the j. edgar hoover building. he was the personification of spying on americans including martin luther king junior and using secret information for political power and rename the building for a civil libertarian and they ought to send a signal to the f.b.i. look, you are under the law. you aren't above the law. you can't go out here, have the president of the united states make a decision and you decide you'll fight him in public? that breaks up the whole concept of an executive branch and is clearly a violation of the constitution. >> sandra: clearly you are pointing out the f.b.i. and white house are at odds over this. judge andrew napolitano, mr. speaker, penned an op-ed this morning making the case, as he has been, to make this memo public. we're adults, he says, we should be able to decide. he writes if it is as advertised, we will see the deep state at its most frightening. what is going on here, speaker? >> well like to point out also there is a very big movie out right now about the

j. edgar hoover himself. the final two years of which he was specially extended by bipartisan piece of congressional legislation that passed the u.s. senate 100 to zero. i mean, this is someone who is seen as completely apolitical in a city where almost everything is mired in politics. >> and let's just go a little bit further into his past. because reading your book and hearing a lot of what people have said about him, even those who are criticizing him now, he has a sterling reputation, even before he became a public servant. he was in vietnam -- he volunteered, didn't he, for vietnam? >> yeah. this is sort of one of the great turning points and illustrative points of bob mueller's career is in the mid-1960s, before vietnam became the cultural hot potato that it did later, he volunteered to go to vietnam, volunteered to go to combat, led a marine corps platoon in the jungles of vietnam where he received a bronze star with valor for his -- his work in one particular combat engagement where he led a team out

we saw that under j edgar hoover. the fbi building is still named after him. additionally, criticism, oversight, investigation of these institutions is important. for the fbi to work properly, there has to be public confidence in it as an institution. the fbi has to be able to go into very fraught situations, to talk to people who might potentially face reprisal or danger for working with the bureau. if people do not trust this institution, it is going to be harder for it to do its job. message from the new fbi director, christopher wray, and tackle hard. guest: yes and are significant concerns about the way the president has conducted his work. kay is joining us from missouri. thank you for waiting. this becouldn't all of solved by taking the money out of our election process. seeminglyeral disconnected things to throw out. i just want to throw them out there. ordinary americans are very unhappy people. creases on their faces that any self-respecting doctor could remove. i have read that 70% of them are obese. they race around from morning to night trying to

j edgar hoover by 1970 was a savvy politician and realized the winds are changing. and the warren court is beginning to enforce the fourth amendment, cutting down on wiretapping, and hoover knows this. he is getting the fbi out of the business of doing black bag jobs. so nixon has to go in-house. leon: he didn't have to. [laughter] evan: but if he is going to do it, he has to hire liddy to do it because the fbi will not do it for him. his minions hire these incompetents. leon: hearing you say that he was so allergic to confrontation, one thinks of the reports of how our current president never can fire someone directly to their face despite his catchphrase. [laughter] leon: i think a lot of people who listen to this show had fun picking out parallels. there are subplots and personality traits i think nixon and trump seem to share. but when i read your book, and i read it later in the process of recording the show, he felt totally different to me than the way i imagine donald trump. i wonder if you could talk to me about how they are different and similar. evan: for s

j. edgar hoover and the fbi had been illegally wiretapping and stealing and spying for earlier presidents including franklin roosevelt, certainly lbj. and by 1970 j. edgar hoover was a very smart politician and realized the winds were changing here. and the war in court is now coming on strong, and they're beginning to enforce the fourth amendment. and they are cutting down on wiretapping. and hoover knows this, and he's getting the fbi out of the business of doing black bag jobs period but also of spying on presidents. so nixon has to go in-house. the famous break in -- >> has to. >> if he's going to do this, he's got to hire hunt and liddy to do it because the fbi's not doing it for him. so he hires these, or his minions hire these incompetents. >> so hearing you say that he was so allergic to confrontation, one thing sort of reports about how our current president never can fire someone directly to his face because of his catchphrase, i think a lot of people listening to the show had fun sort of picking out parallels between some plots, and i think also personality traits that nixon an

director james those two agents and the successfully pulled off an effort by then-fbi director j edgar hoover to have the fbi takeover presidential protection after the dallas assassination. much to mr. hoover's disappointment, president johnson did not transfer presidential protection or any other elements of the secret service to the fbi. i have often felt that without that decision and respect president johnson had for his agents and agency a gotten to -- his agents and the agency had gotten to know quite well, there might not be the secret service of today. there is absolutely no organization for which have more respect or admiration than the women and men of the secret service. and i emphasize the women and men because in earlier years there were no women as agents. but i have seen them stand at their post in a storms, rain, sleet, freezing weather. i have seen them splattered with red paint by protesters as they walked alongside the presidential limousine. i have seen them deal with abusive white house staff and abusive presidents and abusive reporters and media. there is almost nothing

the j edgar hoover up was that that? hoover oppose i always wondered why nothing ever happened from that one. wlliam ouseley: the person who opposed the committee hearings was harry truman. he thought it was going to embarrass the democrats. president?till wlliam ouseley: yeah. when the committee was proposed, he opposed it. that anybody fact individually opposed the committee. it was the general inertia of the time. people are not ready to take up did inns as they appalachia. you had everybody wanting to get in the act. nothing like that happened with the committee. was the great meeting in 1932 and 33. lucky luciana had that together. pulled thatad together. any knowledge of that? wlliam ouseley: there was nobody following these people. era of a criminal organization that was unrecognized for what they were. there were police officers probably were -- who probably were on the know. there were bent politicians. speaking, the powers that be we needed did not exist. itathan bender: let's limit to one question going forwar

j. edgar hoover the credibility and the trust for the fbi was damaged terribly and it took decades for that to be fixed and resurrected. it's going to take a long time. the damage tacomy did and others is so severe that i don't blame americans for not having trust. and it's too bad because the rank and file fbi, great people. david: absolutely. and the president has said that. goodo see you. ank you very mh.uc >>> space x today lauhing t world's mos powerful rocket. take a look. it is called the falcon, the falcon heavy to be precise, and it's on its maiden flight taking off from kennedy space center. it's designed to carry up to 141,000 pounds by the payload this time was a red tesla roadster. that's expected to orbit the sun for millions of year. imagine. space x also landed two of the rocket's side boosters at cape e canaveral. that was a success. we're coming back with more. stay with us. >>> desperate dems trying to distract as the real russia scandal emerges. >> i think there's clear evidence of collusion, that the democratic party and the chill clint campaign colluded with the russia

j. edgar hoover and his unjustified wiretaps and now we are told that unjustified wiretapping is a nothingss has done nothing for this past year but whine about how donald trump has slapped them back and forth. now when it comes to releasingge information, it in no way damages the public good and damages the national security, the press -- the people who are supposed to speak truth to power and spin it to make it less important. it's appalling. it brings that old latin tag, who will guard the guardians? if we've lost the press that doesn't care about the truth, to hold any powerful h person to hh standards, then we have lost the people who are supposed to guard us. >> tucker: how does someone who calls himself a journalist a default position of who we would always think there would be more information as long as there is no downside --ho how does that person argue against things the public is entitled to see? >> i think it's a holdover from the obama administration, and administration turning the federal government into a chicago style machine. and outward malfeasance. while the press stoo

j. edgar hoover, who had been dead for many years, and betty didn't figure it out. >> lewinsky's mother, marsha lewis, finally arrived at the ritz-carlton late that evening. >> they went out into the hallway to talk together alone. >> her mother wanted her to cooperate, and it was monica's decision that she would not cooperate. >> they stopped outside the door of the room. they had a heated conversation. >> monica's mother said, "monica, you're going to tell these people what they want to know, and we're going to end this thing right now." and monica said to her mother, "don't be so naive. i'm not going to be the person who brings down the president of the united states." >> monica's mother called her ex-husband, monica's father, seeking immediate legal counsel. moments later, the phone rang. it was attorney bill ginsberg. >> monica's father is a malpractice lawyer. ginsberg said he was not going to negotiate on the phone. he had to be there. mike emmick said to him, "we're offering complete immunity to her. it is expiring tonight. unless you make this deal right now, she won't have the

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j. edgar hoover era in the treatment of the fbi. make it for coming on.e searched -- >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: the last honest liberal who will commit to the -- when you hear people say the fbi would never do that, you are attacking our guardians by asking that question, is there some historical precedents? >> i'm very worried, tucker, about how people are giving up their principles, their civil liberty principles because of the intensity of their partisan hatred for president trump. as you know, i'm a liberal democrat. but what we've got here is democrats forgetting the history of the fbi. and taking up these anti-civil liberty stances defending the fbi simply because of how intensely opposed they are to president trump. the fbi does not have a good pedigree on electronic surveillance practices and everything i'm aware of as a liberal democrat is what the bureau has been really deceptive with the foreign intelligence court in applying this extended electronic surveillance of carter page, the volunteer trump advisor. liberals and progressives shoul

the comment is there has been talk and commentary that j edgar hoover was afraid of the mafia and he did not want to go after them because he thought it would put his agents at risk. and he didn't want to challenge them. ,illiam ouseley: first of all back in that time, i'd nothing to do with law enforcement. we are talking about the 1950's, leading up to appalachian. i wasn't in the bureau at that time where you might hear rumor. my feeling is, prior to appalachian, hoover was in a group of everyone else who did not fully accept there could be such an entity as cosa nostra. this society, this brotherhood with blood initiation, and a code of conduct, infiltrating everything, it was not accepted. it was not accepted. >> [indiscernible] william ouseley: that was 1964. was the result of our organized crime program hoover's , organized crime program. anyway, i don't. all i can tell you is when i , i wanted toe fbi get into the organized crime program that he established the day after appalachian. you draw the conclusions. >> i was just curious as to what kind of personal fortune nick cive

j. edgar hoover wrote a book of "masters of deceit of the russians interfering in the political system."his was under president truman and eisenhower. the russians goal and other hostile foreign state actors goal is to prove that democracy doesn't work. it is a dysfunctional entity. that is what we are showing with the fighting. i think that is what we are proving. >> are you clear this has nothing do to with the trump campaign? >> i'm not fence sitting, but something else could come. in the document, unwitting accomplices intent. a crime is two things. it is the act itself and the mens rea. the mental state of the crime of the intention. it doesn't mean it is not coming. >> thank you so much. >> thanks. >>> the u.s. women's hockey team has set its sights on the gold medal again. coy wire has all of the action from pyeongchang next. hap hey, joy, you should let your new pals know that according to a leading independent study, the most awarded network is now best in streaming. i think you just did. you both can get a much better view of the game on the iphone on verizon unlimited. thanks.

j. edgar hoover has a liberal bias. that doesn't pass the laugh test. and what is, again, no laughing matter as well is when you compromise critical intelligence. and when this president continues to attack the fbi, the intelligence community, the only winner there is putin. he has to stop being putin's poodle. vladimir putin is having a good laugh right now. again this is no laughing matter this is serious stuff. >> let's talk about fund-raising. dnc $6.5 million on hand at the beginning of the year. raised 7 million in 2017. compare that tthe republican national committee raising almost $133 million last year, $39 million on hand. now i just want to read a quote here, tom perez inherited a party, in their estimation, in disarray with significant debts when he became chairman last february, after one of the worst defeat notice party's history. three biggest stars, barack obama, hillary clinton and bernie sanders have done little to help perez raise money for his efforts so far. help me understand the strategy going forward here. >> sure. >> do you expe

j. edgar hoover those words james comey's words. i'm not trying to do a hoover here. it's unverified.s salacious. you are not under investigation but, yet, he utilized that again to obtain the warrant it doesn't work both ways. >> sean: you are saying he used this when he called in front of then president-elect trump unverified and salacious dossier. two months earlier he used to get the warrant to spy on the trump campaign and then the trump transition team. so the level of duplicity, which is it? because if you thought it was unverified. >> you don't get both. >> sean: unverified and salacious and present it to a court and signed off on it and that was determinative factor as you point out denied first in july, james comey has a big legal problem, doesn't he? >> i think he dose. christopher steele came time frame july. christopher steele, the so-called british spy that was getting this information, by the way, who was working on it with him? bruce ohr, number four, his wife who happens to be fusion gps on this project. again, i say this, if there was a need for a special counsel, th

j. edgar hoover. we later learned he abused the authority of the fbi. that's why anybody in that position of power needs to be held accountable. i don't think james comey would disagree with that. i think he should step up, step off of twitter and hold a news conference and try to figure this out. answer this questions to the best of visibility. >> harris: as we learn what's in this memo, does the president have a point when he looks at how this investigation has come along, look at how dirty the process was with the fisa warrant? you can call it dirty when you don't have all the information. that's what they say about us as journalists. >> i cannot imagine what it would've been like to be in the white house when we heard president trump is not under investigation. we can't tell anybody that, do you know how frustrating that's got to be? if you are accused of a crime and you know you didn't do it, people in charge of the investigation said we know you didn't do it but we won't tell anybody, i can only imagine how frustrating that is. president trump has

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j. edgar hoover.ooses to collaborate with the t-men, including marty's great-uncle, mike malone, over hoover's g-men. >> i have 80-some-odd pages of daily memorandums so detailed, you can actually deconstruct the crime. >> marty shares the lindbergh documents from his strange inheritance with zorn. was it a "wow"? >> absolutely. and i positively guarantee that this will forever change how this story will be viewed. >> the biggest revelations come from accounts of behind-the-scene interactions with lindbergh himself, who's known for his extreme privacy. the documents depict a distraught man clinging to hope. >> for example, lindbergh brought a machine gun onto a boat. there was a man who was coaxing him, saying that he was in touch with the kidnappers. that's completely unknown to history. >> he was desperate. >> he was. i'm convinced this man would have done anything to save his child. >> the case file even includes details about lindbergh's diet, the clothes he wore, and how, out of agony, he stopped

j. edgar hoover, there were times he abused his authority and his power. times in the history of the fbi had to be held in check. how do you do that? how do you hold it back to make sure something like this doesn't happen? >> i think we need someone to clean up the fbi. looks like it is confined to a few people at the headquarters, not the vast majority of agents. i would pick an agent in charge in some large city in america who has honest reputation, and put them in, because, look, peter strzok was removed from the investigation by bob mueller, before we knew all this stuff. i mean it was so bad that he removed him. david: that's right. >> from this kind of stuff. the fbi has been fighting this i hope director wray would be -- david: that is strzok on the screen and his girlfriend lisa page, who was an fbi lawyer. >> i hope the new fbi director would be an improvement but he worries me, in his hearings he said he couldn't give information to congress because it is classified. david: right. >> not seeming to recognize they're accountable through we the peo

j. edgar hoover who was one person in the fbi. this is to discredit the fbi.you know, look, i spent a lot of time traveling around the world. what do you think they're thinking in moscow? this is doing everything that putin ever wanted. showing doubt about whether or not our justice system fair. sowing doubt about whether or not there's anything remotely consistent with our constitution. it is a disaster. >> you think he should sit down with the special counsel? >> if i were the president's lawyer, i would probably tell him not to sit down with the special counsel. >> why? they subpoena you and you wind up in front of a grand jury without a lawyer. >> yeah. and if you're in a situation where the president has some difficulty with precision. >> that's one of the most subtle things i've ever heard you say. >> and one of the things that i would worry about if i were his lawyer is him saying simply not true without him even planning to be disingenuous. >> you think he has that little control over whether he test truth or not? >> i just marvel at some of the things

the president of the united states saying there's a dossier out there, i'm not trying to do a j edgar hoover on you, those were james comey's words, you're not under investigation but he utilized that again to obtain the warrant. [ overlapping speakers ] it doesn't work both ways. >> sean: you're saying that he used this. what he called in front of then president elects unverified and salacious dossier, two months earlier he used to get the warrant to spy on the trump campaign and then the trump transition team so the level of duplicity, which is it? >> you don't get both. >>. >> sean: if you presented it to a court and you signed off on it and that was the terming factor as you point out, it was denied first in july. >> right. >> sean: then james comey has a big legal problem, doesn't he? >> i think he does. christopher steele by the way tame came to the fbi and the time frame looks like it was july. christopher steele the so-called british spy that was getting this information, by the way who was working on it with him, bruce ohr, his wife works with fusion gps on this project. if there wa

j. edgar hoover's role through all those years. it may be mixed.t's your view of the fbi in this time with the president? >> well, you can just follow the facts. you know, president trump from the very beginning when he started with comey, he thought that he was going to be on his side when he saw that he was not, he fired him. he then thought his attorney general would be on his side, his attorney general decided to make sure that he stepped down. so then there was an appointment that the president thought enough of mr. rosenstein and he thought that he would be on his side with loyalty but again as indicated these individuals started following their duty and responsibility. so mr. rosenstein then hired mr. mueller who obviously is going to continue this investigation. this is not -- this is the trump justice department and trump head of the fbi. but they, too, have steadfast with what their responsibilities are and they will follow this to the end. and sometimes as was was nixon, the cover-up can be worse than the crime. no one is talking about t

and we have seen congo against fbi in mid-70s under j edgar hoover. we have never seen against two branches. this should be a matter of grave concern for every american. this is a test whether in this country we can have an independent investigation of the powerful. when the powerful are not happy about it. >> right. that is the testimo we are seei. right now it's clear the president will do everything he can. >> oh, yeah. >> he went to the greenbrier today and said support law enforcement. >> and what's stunning politically it's republicans who are attacking the fbi and the democrats who are defending them. a lot of times in our history the liberals saying the fbi is corrupt and the fbi plays games here. but now it's the republicans following the lead of the president. and the president's narrative is about himself and about his own investigation. and he can't attack bob mueller frontally, and he won't. so what he's doing is taking a s circuitous route and attacking everyone around it. >> what happens if this is it released, even though redactions, i

j. edgar hoover, who was one person in the fbi. this was to discredit the fbi and discredit his own justice department. >> we have a lot at the top of the show, but we begin with our superpanel, karen lofler who has worked with the fbi on hundreds of cases and natasha bertrand, when you hear your former colleague saying he's going to take the fifth, is that a good idea? >> it should be a political fiasco, but as a citizen of the united states, he has the right to take the fifth amendment, but really, and of course it would be unprecedented, but to sit there and say, you know, i will talk to you, but only under, i will assert my fifth amendment or i want a grant of immunity, should be political suicide, but we have seen so many amazing firsts that are sort of shocking. i'm really bound to say who knows? >> and karen -- >> it shouldn't exist. >> karen, i always respect your candor and you're saying, basically, wow, to this whole idea. i want to know that your legal receptivity to it, you point out that this is a legally possible thin

j. edgar hoover, who was one person in the fbi and exonerating -- this was, this was to discredit the fbi. and discredit his own justice department. you know, look, i spent a lot of time traveling around the world. what do you think they're thinking in moscow? this is doing everything that putin ever wanted. sewing doubt about whether or not our justice system is fair, sewing doubt about whether or not there is anything that's remotely consistent with our constitution. it's just, it just -- it's a disaster. >> you think he should sit down with the special counsel? >> if i were the president's lawyer, i would probably tell him not to sit down with the special counsel. >> why? >> because -- >> if they subpoena you and you wind up in front of a grand jury without a lawyer? >> yeah. and if they -- you're in a situation where, um, the president has some difficulty with precision. >> that's one of the most subtle things i've ever heard you say, joe biden. >> and one of the things i would worry about if i was his lawyer is him saying something that was simply not true without him even planning t

j. edgar hoover those words james comey's words. i'm not trying to do a hoover here. it's unverified.s salacious. you are not under investigation but, yet, he utilized that again to obtain the warrant it doesn't work both ways. >> sean: you are saying he used this when he called in front of then president-elect trump unverified and salacious dossier. two months earlier he used to get the warrant to spy on the trump campaign and then the trump transition team. so the level of duplicity, which is it? because if you thought it was unverified. >> you don't get both. >> sean: unverified and salacious and present it to a court and signed off on it and that was determinative factor as you point out denied first in july, james comey has a big legal problem, doesn't he? >> i think he dose. christopher steele came time frame july. christopher steele, the so-called british spy that was getting this information, by the way, who was working on it with him? bruce ohr, number four, his wife who happens to be fusion gps on this project. again, i say this, if there was a need for a special counsel, th

j. edgar hoover, this was to discredit the fbi and discredit his own justice department. spent a lot of time traveling around the world. what do you think they are thinking in moscow? this is doing everything that putin ever wanted. showing doubt about whether or not our justice system is fair, showing doubt about whether or not there is anything that's remotely consistent with our constitution, it's just -- it just is a disaster. >> you think he should sit down with special counsel? >> if i were the president's lawyer, i would tell him not to sit down with special counsel. >> why? >> because -- >> and they subpoena you and wind up in front of a grand jury without a lawyer. >> yeah and if you -- they -- you're in a situation where the president has some difficulty with precision -- >> that's one of the most subtle things i've ever heard you say. >> and one of the things that i would worry about if i were his lawyer is him saying something that was simply not true without him even planning to be -- to be -- >> do you think he has that little control over whether he tells t

j edgar hoover said, 10 billion when he first heard of the breakout and we just doubled into thisamazing nixon component . which was really extraordinary. >> in the acknowledgments section of our book, the thank you section of the book, the first line says thank you to tim leary for leading an interesting life and that the height of an understatement. he, we already wrote a book about him and he led an extraordinarily fascinating life . a lot of it self-directed, a lot of it visited upon him and when you have the president of the united states in a little room just outside the oval office basically declaring war on you, your life becomes interesting for good or bad. in this case, for bad reasons but he was an extraordinarily intelligent guy, and incredibly charismatic guy, and influential person in some of this might be lost to the prism of history but he was on the cover of every major magazine and polarizing i suppose in a way, as some people viewed him as the devil incarnate, other people saw him as a guru or a mentor, someone who can make the world a better place, simply put so i was

j. edgar hoover, who was one person in the fbi and exonerated.s is to discredit the fbi and discredit his own justice department. you know, look, i spent a lot of time traveling around the world. what do you think they're thinking in moscow? this is doing everything that putin ever wanted, sowing doubt about whether or not our justice system is fair, sowing doubt about whether or not there is anything that's remotely consistent with our constitution. it's just -- it's a disaster. >> so given what you just heard, you might be surprised by what vice president biden said moments later about whether president trump should speak with special counsel mueller. that's next, and so are his thoughts on whether or not he plans on running in 2020. you won't see these folks they have businesses to run. they have passions to pursue. how do they avoid trips to the post office? stamps.com mail letters, ship packages, all the services of the post office right on your computer. get a 4 week trial, plus $100 in extras including postage and a digital scale. go to st

j. edgar hoover and unjustified wiretaps. now we are told unjustified wiretapping is nothing burger.ar but whine how donald trump has slapped them back and forth. now when it comes to releasing information, information in no way damaged the public good and no way damaged our national security, the press, the people who are supposed to speak truth to power about power are trying to cover it up and suppress it and spin it to make it less important. it's actually appalling and it just brings that old latin tag, you know, who will guard the guardians if we lost the press that really cares about the truth. if we lost a press willing to hold any powerful person to high standards. then we have lost the people who are supposed to guard this country. >> tucker: how does someone who calls themselves a journalist. as long as there is no grave downside. how does that person argue against showing the public things it's entitled to see? it's amazing. i really do think it's a holdover from the obama administration, an administration that turned the federal government into essentially a chicago styl