j&j and some in tech. let's get to frank holland and the half >>> and welcome to the half time report i'm scott holland in for scott wapner the question here is the january rall investors brace for a huge week ahead. has the stock gotten ahead of itself we're going to debate that and much more with our investment committee today. and joining me right here on set the lovely and talented shannon and jenny. ladies, thank you so much for coming in person let's get a check on the market right now. stocks are pushing higher but the major averages are still on pace for their first negative week of the year a look at the dow up about 0.25% right now. the nasdaq rallying right now on the back of that news -- the ten-year yield at about 3.197. is our january rally, is it losing steam or is this just a bit of a hiccup? because right now of course we're seeing all the indices up. >> i think we're in a situation where that's being offset by concerns particularly from messaging early on in earnings season about the potential for a slowing economy. i think we experienced were significant down dprads in quarterly expect asians for earnings but also a lot of uncertainty as it relates to calender year 2023 we're always looking at the potential for one quarterly print to move a stock, i think right now investors are looking for how do some of these potential recessionary concerns play into the outlook for some of these companies is this rally we've seen really in risk on warranted and is this just an example to the type of trading activity we're going to experience throughout the year as investors try to price in or out the threat of recession with the acknowledgement just because the fed becomes more accommodative doesn't mean we don't have a tougher road ahead >> what do you think about this january rally? again indices up today, but are we seeing the beginning potentially of a downward trend going forward? >> i love what we're calling the s&p was up, what, 4.5%, i love we're calling that a rally so let's keep a little context, anyway there's joking before the show in the world of no guarantees i'm pretty confident guaranteeing it's highly unlikely we're going to have a plus 30 to 40% year. if we have that in the context of thinking about the fate and say most of us at best are eking out a positive return for the year my thought all along is hopefully we get to year end with a positive return at the end and if we start the year off up 4.5%, it's going to be nothing but a roller coaster between now and then i don't know that's a bad thing. i think in those kind of markets there's tremendous opportunity you haven't missed your buying opportunities and might get more opportunities along the way. i don't know if it's a fade or anything it's just the course the market's going to take >> jason snipe, what do you think? a little volatility might be a good thing are you looking for potential volatility going forward >> yeah, so i mean if i look at obviously last year the nasdaq was down 34%, the s&p down close to 20. if i think at the beginning of this year it's really a story of repositioning. you know, some energy towards this kind of narrative of the softest landing, and i think that played a role into the market growing as quickly as they have. but, you know, if we're looking at it nasdaq up 5%, we're only 20 days into the year, it's run a lot. and i can see some exhaustion here, and that's why we're seeing some slow down. also, you know, as it relates to kind of earnings, earnings has been somewhat sluggish we've had a lower bar, so the beat rate hasn't been as high as anticipated. i think that's part of the narrative playing out in what we're seeing in the markets today. as i look at it today this is just financial re-engineering, hearing notes from microsoft with some cuts, obviously job cuts, google with some cuts. and netflix as you mentioned at the top of the show with some really nice earnings last night. so i think that's also playing a role into some of the bump we're seeing for that. >> interesting notes coming out today. i want to read a note that came out from barclays. it says in part u.s. data is weakening and not good for equities anymore even as bonds are rallying, classic recession play book. i know you want to bring your unique brand of insight into the market >> first of all, i'm going to bring my unique brand of insight. look, here's what i'd say. i really think it's -- it's not an appropriate conversation is the market rally going to continue jenny's right 4 h.5%, that's basically what we've seen the volatility in the markets that's a couple days worth of trading the narrative has been negative, so you can parse as we talked yesterday positive data points here and there but the overall narrative is negative, and guess what it's just the beginning of it. so the fed's not done. the most important thing in the market and what to focus on is inflation. and you can claim just pure victory that inflation is moderating, that's down a little bit. but as larry summers said, and i'll paraphrase, it's the most insidious thing that can happen to any economy we've seen before in latin america, other countries, fortunately not here, that inflation becomes just a killer to an economy. and then take a look at google so google and alphabet is up today. and it's being aplaued that 12,000 people were cut think about that you've got a company that culturally really hasn't cut people before. all it's done is add staff, add staff. do you know how long sitting in board meetings, how long we spend talking about the cultural impact of that, about maybe if it's a temporary impact, the slow down. what googles tell you is that their stock should be lower because cutting 12,000 people does a lot to the culture short-term, does a lot to morale and i'd say is counter productive to the company growing. so i think that's another warning sign that's upside down in terms of how the market is reacting things are getting a lot worse, and they're the tip of the spear with the advertising which is a leading tell for the economy bottom line is i'm negative, i'll stay negative, and try to take advantage of trading rallies. >> by the way, steve, you don't have to paraphrase anything. larry summers in davos saying the greatest tragedy would be is central banks don't finish the job. out with a note today pretty short and twsqueet i'm going to read it to you. steve weiss is one of many people who believe the fed is one of the biggest players this is the last we're going to hear from the fed in their quiet period do you think more equities have their down side? >> i think any risk for the market is complacency particularly among investors we've been trying to talk ourselves into a fed pause, and the great hallelujah chorus starts when we say fed pivot except we're the only ones saying it. the fed isn't saying it at all and i was privileged to give a speech with the fed president pat harker and i've gotten to know pat over the years. we've had a lot of private conversations. i said what aren't we getting from the fed he goes i don't know why you're not listening. we're going to have more hikes he says we're going to have three more hikes yeah, we're probably a little optimistic the other side is i think we're a little too pessimistic this is going to last forever. a year from now i think it's very likely, maybe 18 months you're going to see the fed over and done with, whatever recession we may have over and done with and see those green shoots of economic expansion emerge there's no getting around going through this process when the fed is this resolved and investors just aren't listening. you've got to come down to rehoboth beach it's awesome >> a new note saying the head count cuts in tech are the first major step toward stabilizing the stocks and setting the stage for a tech rebound obviously we're kind of in a place where in this case, this particular case bad news is good news people get laid off, investors seem very encouraged by the cut to costs going forward, a big ramp up in hiring during the pandemic what's your take on this >> if you think about the innovation of microsoft and google much of it has been on projects eventually are not profitable or successful and so as an investor when capital is free, you really don't worry too much about capital allocation i think there were few questions on what they were spending about that cash flow in my mind a lot of this is probably appropriate prioritization if you're in an environment where capital costs something and you need to think about capital allocation not just for technology companies but other companies, being able to look at the number of projects you were perhaps willing to lose money on previously making sure your head count and resources are in align with companies you see being able to grow i think is the right sizing and makes sense there's been a ton of hiring with these companies i actually think it won't impact the potential for growth of these companies because it will be on these priority projects that they can see a positive roi over the next three or five years. >> yeah, we're showing some of the layoffs here google cloud still doesn't make money. it's the growth engine for the company but still not profitable just yet are tech stocks just more attractive maybe the environment right now with the layoffs and things aren't great google's valuation a year ago was 25 times, now it's about 19 times. amazon's valuation in august was 98 times and now it's about 52 times, so on and so on >> they're 100% attractive the real question is are they attractive enough? and that's where we stand. as long as we run our discipline growth strategy -- what are we looking at right now we're actually doing deep dives into google, netflix, amazon for us it's not quite cheap enough yet, and that's probably not the right word because we're not looking at it a deep value play cheap enough isn't it but i would say maybe the valuation isn't compelling enough at this point. you say to yourself, oh, my gosh, i may actually be able to buy apple at 100 one day, i may be able to buy google, amazon. they're cheaper, i'm not sure they're cheap enough to michael's point and steve's point, if there is a lot more negativity in this market this year, you haven't missed your entry point. you might get them at better prices >> when you talk about retail investors, they're really excited about these big tech stocks a note from jp morgan today their retail radar, a lot of buying focus on large tech names, microsoft, nvidia at the top where they're seeing the biggest buys jason snipe, do retail investors are they onto something here because they're jumping into some of these megacap tech names? >> well, i would say just in my earlier comments just revolving around tech and also to shannon's point i mean the free money era is over, right so i think it's tough to look at, number one, non-profitable tech that's been thrown out the window that's not an area i would look at but the megacap names and multiples have come in a little bit. the s&p is at 17 times they're still obviously trading at a premium to the market to jenny's point i think potentially you can still grab these names lower. i think these are great companies or the beltway to innovation i do think there's better opportunity today than there was the beginning of last year for me i'm neutral on tech i still like the more value oriented tech like the ciscos of the world. i think that's where opportunity in the near-term >> you've got that old money you're managing. what do you think? is now the time to get some of that old money into big tech is this the point you want to jump back in >> some of the big tech, yes i'm thinking the kathy woods tech, not so much. and i think people are heading to that more volatile speculative tech yes, the old school tech, you know, the faang stocks were way ridiculously expensive they've come down. they represent a great deal more of value google is now 19 times i think the earnings growth there is still for most of those companies still in double digits when you're paying a small premium and preparing to held them for the long-term, i think you've got to do that. but also i think as shannon was saying there is the good news of opportunity still coming i mean if we get this pull back you don't have to be in a rush, and i don't -- i'm never in a rush when i'm investing. so being really dogged and disciplined and dispassionate is the best advice i can give folks thinking about getting back in >> weiss, let me come over to you. you actually covered your shorts and triple qs. obviously no one knew the layoffs were coming. that's caused the big spike in these megacap tech stocks. >> yeah, so when i'm trading the market, you know, my focus all day long is watching the screen and putting stops. i short the qs i got stopped out some because i keep moving my stop, so a little bit of trade school yesterday. so i wanted to keep it as a profitable trade i took off some more last night immediately on the netflix print because i thought the market would misinterpret it. they actually had slower growth. sure subgrowth was lower but you have to look at spending and i just covered the rest of it this morning and at that point it became a useless position i'll be short again but that's trading versus, you know, my core positions which are key, sometimes i'll trade around like moderna. so that's really all it is i don't think we disagree. i think these companies will come out of this cycle much more effective, efficient because -- the money behind not google, he pulled the funding from it so you've got that awareness plus the question is when. in terms of the companies being -- the stocks being cheap at this point you only look at one point of the equation, and just because price is lower doesn't mean cheaper when price comes down very often it's because the fundamentals decline. when you see what the growth is for alphabet over the next year versus this year, i'm not see sure it's so cheap as the lovely jason snipe points out we've still got these stocks selling at nice premiums of the market, but that to me should be a lot lower. it should be closer to 14 times than it is at 17 times so it's a moving target. i'll agree with michael farr you will get a better opportunity in equity, stock you wanted to buy. everyone couldn't wait to buy tesla at 700, apple at 155 look at where they are now >> good point there. >> i want to touch on something you said, frank and asked jenny. smart money, very smart money. i want to make another point what we could see as additional catalysts -- >> that was a failed reference to me, shannon, by the way >> pi backs, if you think about capital allocation there's going to become an opportunity even with the additional tax on buy backs that was a huge driver for tech stocks coming into 2020 we could see that really catalyze these stocks again. probably not today but something for investors to keep an eye on. >> netflix shares up almost 7% right now, having their best day since november after the company reported better than suspected growth shannon and jason, you both own it jason, i'm going to start with you. do you think the stock has gotten a bit ahead of itself obviously up almost 7% today >> yeah, so obviously the stock has grown tremendously since over the last three months and since up about 30%, 18% in the last couple of months. what i would say about netflix i think which is interesting obviously the ad supported tier just coming out, just got started in november and we're seeing some of those numbers that were positive the big thing for me on netflix and i think it's played into the stock, you know, over 60% of their revenue is generated overseas and the dollar, the dollar is down about 10% in the last quarter and i think that's played well into the stock i think what they're also trying to figure out obviously is this password sharing piece let's see how that goes because that could be a nice catalyst for the stock if they figure out how to monetize that for me i'm neutral now it's run a lot over the last three months, and i think you have to be disciplined here and potentially look at taking some off the table. we haven't done that yet, but that's really what we're looking at at this stage >> let's show that revenue growth chart one more time you bought it a couple months ago. what do you think? sticking with it or lock in the gains and get out? >> this is september i think it's important to listen to similar what we're listening to for the fed we have to listen to netflix management netflix management wants us to focus on revenue per user, they do not want us to focus on number of users per aggregate. i think it goes to profit nlt. you should look at the inflection point where they're ready to deliver that higher revenue per user and by expanding the base in this period that's where i think they're going to get that. looking at potentially taking a bit off the table, but i think this is longer-term play >> weiss, i knee you're a bridgerten fan what do you think about the stock? >> i think it's ahead of itself. i don't think it's cheap enough. i think they are the winner of the streaming wars, but so what? the streaming wars not sure anybody at the end of the day wins and i think you have to buy stocks on the dips if you buy it on the dips you can make a lot of money and it's like luluwhy i bought it it's still expensive but that's why you make money. >> you say right now you should buy disney because netflix's growth is good for disney plus >>> an upgrade for big biotech jenny owns it. we'll debate the trade and the entire sector. that's next for our call of the day. half time back in two minutes. i know the markets have gone up and down, but you're right on track to reach your goals. my ameriprise advisor 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they should have upgraded it earlier. we initially added regeneron back in 2021 about $460 a share. fast forward to now $700 and change, and you need to ask yourself do you need to employ discipline and take some off the table or look ahead? i think the 2023 earnings aren't going to be spectacular. they'll kind of be flat because they have a covid antibody treatment that rolls off then they've got this macular degeneration drug coming online, another one for dermatitis, a really strong cancer pipeline, and all of those are going to pileup and really drive earnings to very high levels in 2024. so i think you can own it now but to the point of the upgrade and the share price staying flat, it might kind of do nothing for a while, because the earnings aren't great and people are shortsighted out there >> no pun intended >> thank you >> shannon, you have health care as your sector pick. you don't own this stock because you own a number of other ones how do you feel about health care in general? >> so this is a really interesting play and i think one of the things we're looking at, you know, if you look over the next cup of years the overhang for drug stocks in general has been what's happening in washington for us we were looking at multi-line, you know, drugs focused on things like imnology and oncology which i think are going to grow in importance. i think you can look at your exposure in pharma and biotech i don't think you necessarily have to go down into small cap biotech. we think a broader kind of footprint or basket for health care is going to be able to take advantage of some of the innovative therapies that are available in the market but also the demographic trends there's a lot of demographic headwinds. we like having a lot of different types of exposure within the sector. >> can i say something on that >> of course >> you know how i always say i hate sector picks, don't make me use a broad brush stroke i think this might be one of the areas for the general investing public where it's absolutely the safest way to go to use the broad brush stroke because the companies within those indices are so wildly different, and some of them are going to hit home runs and if you want to play it this really is the smart way to do it >> i think people are going to have a hard time deciphering between a biotech a pharma about 20 million americans according to the cdc have macular degeneration, so it is a broad-based drug weiss, i know that was your excuse for doing some things you do, your macular degeneration and your cataracts i know you also own moderna. what do you think about this call and the sector in eneral? >> first of all, i think it's evidence to the audience you and jenny should stay in your lane and not try to be funny. leave that to me >> i'm biting my tongue on the numbers only >> this is a high level sweater, jenny. you may not be familiar with this but this is natural farmer. >> we've got to stay on the stocks >> i regret not owning it. it's a high quality company, always has been. it's got great management, visionary management however, i looked at it more closely during covid, moderna was going to be my play and worked out very nicely and that's where i'll continue to be because it's a technology company with a much higher hit rate, almost perfect actually in terms of what they've gone through in trials to bring drugs to the market. i agree with jenny although i have higher respect for our viewing public they can discern what's a biotech versus a pharma company. it's pretty evident and other areas of health care yes, if you're going to play biotech do the xpi, do the bbi, do one of the indices because you do need a basket for risk management otherwise you could buy a merck. i don't own it i sold it. hasn't moved since i sold it health care i love it because it's recession resistant i think it'll form counter cyclical and actually make money this year. >> good call on moderna. shares up about 13% over the last year. you also have broad-based health care ownership, the list goes on what's your take on this call and the stock? >> you know, on regeneron i like the stock. i don't own it and i kind of feel the way jenny does, i think it's probably a bit late when the stock starts moving like this but in terms of this sector i think you've got to own it for -- frank, i really want to disclaim here. worries the hell out of me when i start agreeing with weiss. i want to say it to get out there. okay, look, whether it's a pharmaceutical it's health care core, these are recession defensive stocks we know the area and how the demographic in this country is music. we know the prices have been rising i think in terms of balance sheets they're fabulous, diversified. this is a place to hide and i think also benefit as stock prices recover i'm very happy i've got this core in my portfolio >> we are watching health care opportunity xlb fractionally down today up next our turn of the day. this sector 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[music - cover of blondie's “dreaming”] [music playing] ♪ imagine something of your very own. ♪ ♪ something you can have and hold. ♪ ♪ i'd build a road in gold just to have some dreaming, ♪ ♪ dreaming is free. ♪ accenture, let there be change. >>> welcome back to the half time report. i'm contessa brewer. let's get to the news. goldman sachs consumer business is facing a federal reserve investigation according to "the wall street journal. the fed is looking into whether the bank used appropriate monitoring and control systems inside its marcus brand as that business grew. a spokesperson for goldman sachs says the bank does not comment on the accuracy or inaccuracy of matters relating to discussions with the federal reserve >>> former president donald trump voluntarily withdrawing his lawsuit against new york attorney general letitia james the lawsuit originally was filed in november after james filed a $250 million civil suit against trump and his family trump's lawsuit accused the new york a.g. of intimidation and harassment t-mobile says hackers accessed data from about 37 million customers. it's the second major breach in the past two years the company says hackers have obtained names, billing addresses, e-mails, phone number, birthdays and account numbers but no passwords, payment card information, or social security numbers were compromised. so, frank, mixed bag there >> certainly contessa, thank you very much. >>> let's get to our chart of the day. industrials they're down more than 4% this week and on pace for their worst week since september led lower by emerson, 3well carrier and honeywell. what's your take on the sector and specifically that pick of honeywell? >> yeah, so generally when i think about industrials they're using early cycle play and obviously that's not where we are. we're late cycle i like honeywell that's my highest conviction name, you know, in the space it's up still around 13% over the last three months, to your point down 6% year to date i think that's indicative of kind of this shift to growth early part of the year but i do think in a value oriented piece of the economy will continue to grow. for me i continue to like honeywell as well just because of their exposure to aerospace it's got a 2% dividend yield and i think as a tech enabled company in this space i think there's continued runway honeywell is a name we like here, and again this has been a shift to growth early on the year, but i still think honeywell could do well for the rest of this year. >> you're also shorting xli and a mixed bag and down about 6% year to date take us through your thinking, why short industrials? >> so first of all when it's call in the economy -- you typically buy these when the multiples are very high, up 74, but that's when you have trough earnings and the xli is a mixed bag. and break down is the largest. but you've got boeing, caterpillar, deere, et cetera. if i were jason i'd consider shorting the xli against this honeywell position if he wanted to hedge it, if he's unsure. but to me the market is still -- the industrials performed well last year, not so much this year, not terrible this year but last year they did very well, and i don't think it properly takes into account what's going to happen going forward. this should be at best a slight discount to the market because they've got the most leverage up and down to the economic cycle so that's why i'm shorting, and it helps me hedge against my long positions as well and i say it's a hedge because that way if i lose money on the trade, it's a hedge. if i make money on it, what a great bear >> two sides of the coin, i got you. you also own honeywell, but i want to talk to you about a stock. shares are up 4% year to date but still down 15% in the last year what's your take are these long-term holds or right now going to put more money in take me through because obviously the sector isn't doing great this year. >> we do think one of the trends over the next several years similar to what jim talked about on the show is free shoring here in manufacturing we don't have the skills that can really support that, and we haven't seen the training we need so i think there's a lot of facilities, a lot of factories, a lot of manufacturing facilities that need to add automation let's talk about a couple of areas that are getting momentum, defense and aerospace. i'm not surprised there's concern from an economic perspective about the cyclicality of the sector over the last couple of weeks longer-term there are some trends if you're in now are you going to benefit from that later this year into next year >> nasdaq higher today we're going to look ahead to the lyesrt of earnings that can real tt this nasdaq rally and how experts are playing it much more half time after the break. look! what's up my trade dogs? you should be listening to me. you want to be rich like me? you want to trust me on this one. 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