j. trump with conspiring to defraud the united states. >> reporter: according to smith, what began as a legal strategy in wisconsin evolved into a corrupt plan, involving six other states as well. >> donald j. trump of the state of florida, number of votes, 11. >> reporter: arizona, georgia, nevada, new mexico, pennsylvania, and michigan. >> he says we can't enter. >> reporter: where some of the fake electors couldn't convince police to let them into the capitol. >> we're electors. >> we're electors. >> the electors are already here. they've already been checked in. >> reporter: jack smith cites this memo written by ken chesebro, detailing ways the trump campaign can prevent biden from amassing 270 electoral votes on january 6th. smith alleges it was designed to create a fake controversy and supplant legitimate electors with trump's fake electors and certify him as president. by january 4th, according to internal emails, some in the trump campaign were panicking. they believed the fake electors' documents from michigan and wisconsin hasn't arrived in vice president mike pence's senate office. your colleague texted you, freaking trump idiots. you wrote, this is just nuts. what was nuts about it? >> i mean, we had the certification coming on the 6th. how do you not have the paperwork? >> i mean, you've said that you only went along with this plan to preserve trump's candidacy in the event of a court ruling. january 4th, just two days before january 6th, did you really think that was still possible? >> well, remember, the wisconsin supreme court had been appealed. so, january 4th, it seemed like, yeah, it's possible that a much more conservative united states supreme court could overturn a 4-3 decision. >> reporter: to get the paperwork to washington, they picked alesha guenther, then a 23-year-old law school student working part time for wisconsin republican party. >> i was on break from law school and wanted to make some extra money to pay for books and worked for the party for my month off of school. so, on january 4th, i got a call fom the executive director of the republican party of wisconsin, since i was helping out at the time. >> what did you think when you got the text? >> at first i didn't know what it was. and then he followed up and asked that the trump campaign wanted these papers flown out to d.c. because they had gotten lost in the mail. >> reporter: guenther says she picked up the papers here at the headquarters and flew to washington. she showed us her email chain with ken chesebro and the trump campaign senior adviser. >> explaining i should only give the documents to ken chesebro. they asked me to meet up with him outside the trump hotel. >> i mean, it sounds very secretive. >> i thought that email was pretty odd and dramatic. >> and you knew what was happening on january 6th, in terms of the certification of the vote? >> i don't know if i was very tuned into that truly because i thought that a court of law would have needed to overturn an election for those documents to be used. >> did you know what chesebro looked like? >> he actually sent me a selfie so i would know -- >> he sent you a selfie so you would know it was him? >> yeah. >> can i see it? >> yeah. >> she still has the photo saved on her phone. that's ken chesebro. >> mm-hmm. >> what did he say to you? >> he took a dramatic step back and looked at me and said, you might have just made history. >> reporter: ken chesebro told investigators he delivered the documents to capitol hill. the next day, on january 6th, he could be seen in videos outside the capitol, near conspiracy theorist, alex jones. >> i want to look even more deeply at the fake electors scheme. >> reporter: according to the january 6th select committee, an aid to ron johnson tried to arrange to get the fake elector slates to vice president pence. >> and i hope mike is going to do the right thing. i hope so. i hope so. because if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. >> but pence's aide refused, texting, do not give that to him, according to the committee. when the senate chamber had to be evacuated, the real electoral votes in these boxes were taken to safety. and when congress resumed, they were returned into the house chamber. >> pursuant to senate concurrent -- >> reporter: vice president pence announced the election results and closed the session the supreme court ultimately declined to hear the trump campaign's lawsuit in wisconsin. >> what do you think about donald trump continuing to claim that the 2020 election was stolen? >> i mean, it wasn't stolen. it wasn't stolen in wisconsin. >> reporter: this past december, andrew hitt and wisconsin's other republican electors settled a civil lawsuit against them by some of the state's democratic electors. they admitted they signed a document that was used as part of an attempt to improperly overturn the 2020 presidential election results. hitt resigned as chairman of the wisconsin republican party in august 2021. he's cooperated with the january 6th committee -- >> using our electors in ways that we weren't told about. and we wouldn't have supported. >> reporter: -- and he says he's also cooperated with federal prosecutors. he maintains he and the other fake electors in wisconsin were tricked. >> whenever anybody sees our text messages, our emails, our documents, they understand, they know, their conclusion is we were tricked. the january 6th committee saw it, jack smith specifically in his indictment refers to some of the electors were tricked. that was us. >> the former president is known to watch "60 minutes." if he's watching, what would you want to say to him? 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[ singing in global language ] >> ireland's peninsula was named for a goddess before such things were written. and for 6,000 years, stories have passed by ear. [ singing in global language ] >> reporter: so, if verse inhabits every irish soul, then in a country pub, cillian murphy is among peers, as he would have it. just a man with a pint to lift and no fame to bear. >> what is the meaning of ireland to you? >> i don't think i can answer that question satisfactorily. it's defined who i am as a person and my values. it's just home. >> home includes his wife of 20 years, two teenage sons, and scout, a lab named for the character in "to kill a mockingbird." that figures. murphy has always let stories lead his path. >> you find so much empathy in novels, you know, because there you are putting yourself into somebody else's point of view. and i've always been a big reader. when a movie can connect with someone and they feel seen or feel heard or a novel can change somebody's life or a piece of music, an album can change someone's life -- and i've had all that happen to me. and that's the power of good art, i think. >> there's a straight line from the music in the pub to "oppenheimer." >> i think they're from the same source. i mean, i really do. i don't see -- i see it's all on a continuum, you know what i mean? it's just a form of expression. >> reporter: expression in the eyes of jm bomb but never controlled it. >> if you do it too high in the air, the blast won't be as powerful. >> with respect, dr. oppenheimer, we'll take it from here. >> i remember reading at the beginning about him, that he was more riddled and answer. i thought, okay, wow. that's interesting. >> i'm curious about your notes. >> the riddle was in this script by writer/director christopher nolan, printed in red so it couldn't be photocopied. >> i did genuinely think it's one of the greatest screenplays i've ever read. >> and you told him, i'll do it. >> i mean, i said, i'll do it, before i read it. >> that's quite a risk. why would you do that? >> it's always paid off for me, every film that i've worked with him on. >> i'm not going back. i'm not going back. >> reporter: there have been six chris nolan films for murphy. 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