my point was that when, you know--is when you get blacks like j.c. watts, who are self-made, who have--who have made it through--through self-help, then we say that their success proves that the--the failure to be the rule, that they're the exception that proves the rule. and so--so blacks who are successful, and i've had this happen with me and oth--many, many others, are sort of used just to prove the rule of black failure, that--that--no, i--i don't think that i--i--you know, j.c. watts may be very talented and so forth, but they're--but there are millions of blacks who--who could do similar things, if they were asked to do it, if we expected it in this society. where--where cokie roberts and her husband steve roberts failed was to say what they expected of black americans. what are they asking? and, of course, nothing. what they're s--they--they go back to the other side and say, 'well, here's some programs we can offer.' to me, the great failure of this--this redemptive liberalism, is the fact that it asks nothing of the--from the people who it--who i

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i can't tell you how many times powell, myself, j.c. watts, we were all called rhinos because we don't tow this ridiculous line where we judge people and we make these -- >> but your roots in the party are deeper. your roots go back intellectually and historically. >> trust me, my roots are much deeper than the people who run their mouths. i've just gotten into the point at my life where i ignore the noise and forge ahead. >> why the dixiecrats, who all quit the democratic party when it went for civil rights and voting rights in the '60s, and lyndon johnson saying i know i'm going to lose them, why didn't your party embrace them? >> it's presidential politics. it was a strategy to win the white house as opposed to recognizing that the future of the party really rested in those smaller communities, in those local elections for mayor and for city councilmen. that's where the strength of the party is. when the community looks around and sees republicans, particularly african-american republicans, no, well, the strategy was abandoned. >> but you

but when you look around the country, former figures like j.c. watts or alan keys.ainly a lot of african-americans, but you've got people from all walks of life. the party of lincoln is a party that is big enough for everybody. you don't have to believe what t.w. shannon believes to be a republican. >> the republican governor of louisiana bobby jindal, he wrote this. i'm going to put it up on the screen. "yet we still place far too much emphasis on our separateness, our heritage, ethnic background, etc. we live in the age of hyphenated americans. how about just american? that has a nice ring to it, if you ask me. placie ining undue emphasis on separateness is a step in the wro backward. bring back the melting pot." >> i think that's what the republican party is going to do this next election. >> what do you make of some of these murmurings from the few republicans -- not very many. even senator tom coburn from oklahoma suggesting maybe the president is getting close to high crimes and misdemeanors and should be impeached. >> there are very few times i disagree with