so j.d. gordon let me let me start with you the special counsel robert mueller did not find the did not find president donald trump was guilty of obstruction of justice but he didn't find him innocent either so isn't all of this celebrating from from people on the trump side a little premature at this point. well i don't really think there's anything to celebrate i mean here you have a stealth coup attempt to remove a president who was elected by the american people you have dozens of people who have had their lives shattered including me i was the director of national security for the campaign i was interviewed for three congressional committees and the special counsel multiple times i had to spend a five figure legal bills to defend myself so i did nothing wrong i wasn't accused of doing anything wrong but yet i was maligned on c.n.n. and m s n b c and international media for the past two years this has been a crime wave of defamation against the president and people who are close to him and peopl

so j.d. gordon let me let me start with you the special counsel robert mueller did not find the did not find president donald trump was guilty of obstruction of justice but he didn't find him innocent either so isn't all of this celebrating from from people on the trump side a little premature at this point. well i don't really think there's anything to celebrate i mean here you have a stealth coup attempt to remove a president who was elected by the american people you have dozens of people who have had their lives shattered including me i was the director of national security for the campaign i was interviewed for three congressional committees and the special counsel multiple times i had to spend a five figure legal bills to defend myself so i did nothing wrong i wasn't accused of doing anything wrong but yet i was maligned on c.n.n. and m s n b c and international media for the past two years this has been a crime wave of defamation against the president and people who are close to him and peopl

j.d. gordon's interaction with russia was on the side bar of a public event. >> jeff sessions had a meeting're we're dancing on the head of a pin here. i have not gotten to the bottom of a question here, why did so many people lied about russia. >> i don't think so many lied about russia. >> let sam talk, please, michael. >> i think there is different poetives, george poppadopulous was still looking for a job. another point is that yes, this part of it is over, but barr's first paragraph of that first -- of the second page of his letter, he says these are ongoing matters that were given off, this has not worked off for sitting presidents in the path. in 1992 they had an investigation and sixth days before the election you had four indictments, barr, by the way, was the acting attorney general that wrote for george h.w. bush the par don letters and clinton and comey. you cover it'd in the oval officer, they say are you worried about the mueller investigation, and he immediately says no, and he says what about the southern district, and he says i don't know about that. >> and he told mike the

>> myself and dozens more of former trump associates, myself, j.d. gordon the list goes on and on. i think a lot of them keep theig names out of the news because o ey are trying to look forward to a job, but i know one family where the father in the mother lost their jobs. this has been tough on every single one of us. i tend to run my mouth about it, but i feel like i'm speaking through a ton of that we didn't deserve. also, by the way, this is upwards of 50 people are at the assistant secretary level of government appointment, the president lost a whole cadre of true trump supporter's in his first round of appointments in his administration. the list goes on and on as to what this caused. >> laura: i think the should hire him back. while it's fun to play the old sound bites, is human carnage. i thought about you and i heard you were coming on today. thought about you because you are someone who popped up on tv, you are very well-spoken, but there are a lot of people who really don't have anyone to speak to at all. and you are right, where do they go to ge

j.d. gordon's family and carter page's family and dozens of other families related to the trump kind of orbit have gone completely bust due to this bogus russia investigation, they're getting rich. rich beyond their wildest dreams. and here's the thing, tucker. i know you -- you believe and others believe that there's nothing criminal going on here, but i disagree. all you got to do is look up 18 usc 2384 and apply that to dan jones. if we don't have some kind of investigation into dan jones, christopher steele and glen simpson and fusion gps. if we find a crime related to that, then we have no country. we have no rule of law. >> tucker: at the very least, we're learning who has real power in this country. >> no doubt. no doubt. >> tucker: thank you very much. we have a former communications director joining us tonight. i think it's fair to say we took this seriously from the beginning and asked, i think, real questions. didn't dismiss it. i'm against any president who would do that. if it turns out that the mueller investigation did not find collusion shouldn't the speaker of the house, the

so j.d. gordonlet me let me start with you the special counsel robert mueller did not find the did not find president donald trump was guilty of obstruction of justice but he didn't find him innocent either so isn't all of this celebrating from from people on the trump side a little premature at this point. well i don't really think there's anything to celebrate i mean here you have a stealth coup attempt to remove a president who was elected by the american people you have dozens of people who have had their lives shattered including me i was the director of national security for the campaign i was interviewed for three congressional committees and the special counsel multiple times i had to spend five figure legal bills to defend myself so i did nothing wrong i wasn't accused of doing anything wrong but yet i was maligned on c.n.n. and m s n b c and international media for the past two years this has been a crime wave of defamation against the president and people who are close to him and people w

they had questions about her interactions with gordon, a former trump campaign aide who worked on national security issues. she had a couple encounters with j.d. in the run-up to the election. they asked if she knew about the platform change that happened at the republican national convention. ultimately, the sources said it seemed like more of a formality. it didn't seem like she was central to their investigation. it is interesting to see these various investigations collide. >> lots going on. still very much. thanks for that, appreciate it very much. >>> let's get more on the developments. mark short is joining us, the chief of staff to mike pence, also a former cnn contributor. mark, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> let's begin with the breaking news. we will move on to some of the other issues. on the mueller report, the chairman you heard of the house judiciary committee, jerry nadler telling cnn the attorney general will not commit to releasing the full report. would it be a mistake for the attorney general to withhold information that isn't classified or sensitive grand jury proceedings? >> wolf, i haven't