j.d. heywerth's role.ut anyway, there's no doubt, your question is very good, and there was definitely an impact and a lot of people lost their jobs. >> there are a lot of connections and names that you've been using, and there's another one i want to ask you about. that's the name will yam slonkaufman. >> the activist minister was my stepfather. he was the chaplain at yale. he married my mother when i was around 14. 196, he was chargeddwith conspiracy, i believe, with doctor. spock, the famous baby doctor. he had known my mother before. he came up to be in the trial and would come by the house and they fell in llve and they got married, and i moved to new haven and ultimately went to yale, and bill was a big influence on my life. i remember he also was -- he died as it happened right around the same time that my father died. it was a big blow. i think in the obituary of "the washington post," my father was on the top of the page and william was on the bottom of the page. my father would haae been annoyed