j.d. to cheli managing editor of reason twenty four seven joins us now welcome back. so we have this new discussion that is being brought to the forefront is it overdue and did it take the death of someone considered to be this this genius in order to get people to care about the issue you know it's horrible to think of that might be the case but it does seem to be true the fact the matter is no one was discussed in receiving there was it has been going on for a while and say stephen am an assistant u.s. attorney involved in this case was involved in another head is a few years ago where there are all sorts of there's life on one has to read with fairly harsh penalties so if one comes out of this we actually get a discussion so that's a good thing but it's horrible to someone's life to do it right. it's really tragic what what drives prosecutor is to ask for these harsh sentences. blind wall ambition carmen ortiz is being discussed as the next governor of massachusetts they were seriously at throwing her name around as the democratic candidates hopefully that discussio