j.p. morgan h.s.b.c. can manipulate to keep the price of silver at these artificially low levels or does it just some point the dam breaks and you see as was the case when the the gold cartel broke in the sixty's you had that huge spike is that what we're looking at well in terms of so this heat spike in the price am i can i keep going back to our interview and he was saying we may well see repeat what happened in the seventy's with the so what price when it's completely shot up and went up by a two thousand percent say maybe we are seeing a break in the down. that's towards were heading towards you and i was speaking about silver manipulation a lot and i you know it clearly is there is something up in the market in terms of how long they can keep going who knows you know how long can they so keep fiddling and in terms of you know we look at the so fixed now that's now sort of being changed there is that is the change of the server fix because as part of a scandal of the gold fixing in the london market b