. >> so they start out isis as a j.v. team. and then the big united states comes in and they're getting biggerment they're getting bigger than before. what i found amazing was that martin dempsey said that ramadi doesn't make a difference. and john mccain comes out and says something that was stunning. he says that martin dempsey, one of the reasons that we're in the situation we are today about the situation and he's done great deal damage. >> this is the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. saying ramadi is not important, just killing isis. it's embarrassing that a uniformed officer would say that. the chairman is a political animal anyways, but this is beyond the pail. we're in trouble with this, with the way we're running this campaign. and the joint chiefs of staff can't be in this kind of denial. and a senator with the record of john mckaib e cain can't be saying this kind of thing. >> he would be in favor of someone who was in the chairman of the joint chiefs. >> is he more a politician? or more a, you know, a military

. >> president obama has referred to isis as a j.v. team. how would you describe isis right now? >> well it's an organization that is extreme in its brutality and in fact uses its barberarrism as a recruiting tool and have appealed to these lost soul over the world. they'll be defeated. i'm confident of that. >> you told consider you would hesitate when it comes to all options fighting isis. if you felt boots on the ground was appropriate, you would recommend that. he has repeatedly said no to that. do you think he would take your advise if you said mr. president, we need to put american troops on the ground. would he listen to you? >> one thing about president obama is that he is very open to and accepting advice. i think if we came to the conclusion that was necessary, boots on the ground to use your phrase, in order to defeat isil and that seemed necessary and advisable then i'm confident he would listen to that. we're not at that point yet. i did indicate that i would not hesitate to give that advice. we have learned it's not enough that they be defeated but stay defeat defea

maybe they've been able to convince the general and others that this is the j.v. team. that's disgusting. it's disgusting what's being said but the actions are equally as disgusting because what does this tell our enemy? that it's not symbolic at all? so when they take it and they start to build, will they ever back off the j.v. talking point? this tells me that they're still in it to win it with that. >> they're going to downplay it politically. this isn't a big deal. try to convince the rest of us. >> keep the narrative going. >> and they would have to admit they made a mistake which we know this administration doesn't do. that they basically handed iraq over to isis and lost all the gains we made. they're so concerned z. along with our weapons. >> with reputational management of this president that they don't care about admitting reality let along wrongdoing. >> wouldn't they have to commit to doing something about it? if you say this city is being retain and that we are going to let it go and you admit that then you admit that's a problem. >> you have to be proactiv

many of us have noted with a great deal of dismay the president's earlier dismissal of isis as a j.v. team, the equivalent of, we've seen this happen on a number of fronts. i held a whole series of hearings on boko haram and tried desperately to get the administration to declare boko haram a foreign terrorist organization. went tries to nigeria. where to where firebombing was occurring in churches. it was as clear as the nose on my face that boko haram had a global -- not a global but more of a regional terrorist mindset. we seemed to not have assessed the scope, lethality of the threat. it's part of the coalition of the 60. is nigeria part of that? you know, again, to my dismay and shock and many others, all of a sudden we walked away last december from helping the nigerian government combat the very real threat that they're facing with training, with vetted -- lengthy vetted individuals. it all can be done, it's a matter of political will. if you might speak to that and finally, very quickly -- because i'm almost out of time -- general dempsey had pointed out that the security of the ira