ja moore joins us now, good evening mr. > good evening, how are you doing, josh, it's good to see you again. >> good to see you too. >> we are worse off now? why is that? >> well, look, i'm reminded of the african proverb and it talks about the leopard, the big cat in the junk he will, -- in the skin of the leopard is beautiful but the skin of the leopard is evil. too often when we have racially motivated tragedies and shootings that are racially motivated or have bias, too often we do something like the mother may tragedy, after the assassination and murder of nine beautiful souls. we have a flag come down from the state house and that was it. and no substantive change happened after that. no economic opportunity for people of color. no opportunities as it relates to benefit policing or cultural changes. we took our flag. and that is just not enough, and i think this time we must demand more from, from our systems and our government. >> how are the demonstrations in the charleston area going right now? do people seem hopefu