i'm joined by my guest, jace brower in bristol. she is deputy leader of the workers party, brittany, as well as author of the drive to war against russia in china. and in paris we cross a john laughlin, he's a university lecture in history and political philosophy or across soc rules and effect. that means it can jump in any time you want. now appreciate john, let me go to you. person in paris some how did the neo liberal project, neo liberalism, and as, as an ideology fair in 2021. because i, i would say it did very, very poorly as it should because it's an ideology that m a is collapsing all around . is an every facet of every facet. it touches go ahead, john. while i think 2021 was the.