around page 30, i went, well, in the jack bauer vernacular, i went "damn it."do this. >> jimmy: it's hard to complain because bear grylls, who's our next guest, gets attacked by wolves and that sort of thing on his show. >> no, i've watched him jump out of a helicopter or two. he's got a tougher grind than i ever did. >> jimmy: definitely. are you that kind of a guy? an adventurer? are you a camper or anything? >> not really, no. pretty much fake it. >> jimmy: you do, yeah. >> i think the last time i was camping, my oldest daughter wanted to try this outward bound program for summer. and part of the deal was at the end of everything that they learned, one of their parents had to go with them on this trip. and we climbed -- >> jimmy: it's mom's job, right? >> yeah. we climbed about 3,000 vertical feet. i showed up with all the proper equipment. i looked like the deal. and my daughter was 16 at the time. and after three days, i came limping out of the mountain, with a stick, barely clinging to life. and she was -- she was just kind of as light and effervescent as