i can't answer for the sort of -- it's hard to answer for the, you know, jack bauer and how he handles a difficult situation as a sole representative how an american has a piece of information you want to get out of them. it's hard thing to answer. but, you know, that's a problem with literacy. that's a problem with education. and i think that there's inevitable path of increasing sophistication and increasing narrative sophistication. the amount of information people can process and the amount of narrative complexity people can process. it's on an increasing curve, and . >> i think you're an optimist. >> i am an optimist. it's evidenced by look at television in 1968. it versus where television is today. look at what -- look at the cbs evening news cast from 1974 versus what is happened today. it's become more politicalized but certainly the ability to process information has, you know, has grown and, you know, i think these are issues of education. -- [inaudible] >> there's an ongoing battle for . >> people are putting out ideas on various and ways hidden or not value systems, beliefs