he is playing jack bauer. i do think there is a great opportunity for cultural diplomacy not withstanding the hazard that a show like "24" might have had. there is a tremendous power and responsibility. it is good that those of us to do this and create the content are mindful that we have that power. it is easy to get isolated in los angeles. it is a little bit of a twinkie defense to say that it is just a television show. >> as the moderator, i will make one comment. i grew up in the netherlands. there are 19 political parties. they used to buy time. interestingly, in the mid- 1970's, the show's the labor party showed was "all in the family." the more conservative party showed "m.a.s.h." you can never really understand how it is going to be manipulated by local agendas and parties. that was my experience. let me ask a last question. aside from things that you have been directly involved with, is there a film or documentary or television show which you think is a great example of what hollywood can mean to pub

i can't answer for the sort of -- it's hard to answer for the, you know, jack bauer and how he handles a difficult situation as a sole representative how an american has a piece of information you want to get out of them. it's hard thing to answer. but, you know, that's a problem with literacy. that's a problem with education. and i think that there's inevitable path of increasing sophistication and increasing narrative sophistication. the amount of information people can process and the amount of narrative complexity people can process. it's on an increasing curve, and . >> i think you're an optimist. >> i am an optimist. it's evidenced by look at television in 1968. it versus where television is today. look at what -- look at the cbs evening news cast from 1974 versus what is happened today. it's become more politicalized but certainly the ability to process information has, you know, has grown and, you know, i think these are issues of education. -- [inaudible] >> there's an ongoing battle for . >> people are putting out ideas on various and ways hidden or not value systems, beliefs

gary bauer was the worst ever. >> jack be nimble, jack be quick, whoa, jack fall over the bisquick. >rassing moments for any politician i've seen. >> i hope your campaign platform is more solid than your footing. that goes for you too, mr. dole. campaigning against president bill clinton turns out to be a dangerous affair for bob dole. reaching out to his supporters in california, he falls head first off stage. it turns out that the presidency is just beyond his reach. and speaking of feet, waiting around for dignitaries can be tedious work. president bush takes the opportunity to entertain the press with some fancy footwork of his own. >> i don't know of any times when it's really good for a president to try to dance. >> president bush, it seems, disagrees. here he is again in africa. >> and secretary of state hillary clinton gets down in kenya. >> thank you very much. stop the music. >> even russian president boris yeltsin seems comfortable on the dance floor. >> kick it. >> not all politicians are quite so musically inclined however. just ask karl rove. ♪ tell me what is your name