joining to his talk about this is gop strategist jack berk man and gary nordlinger. a professor at georgia washington university. >> i would like to know what your thoughts are the fact the trumps say that the accusations >> it's not a concern since they didn't do it. i hate to put it this way, presidents have been selling access for political fund-raising for several decades if not longer. and going forward will having to careful about the smell test. remember the incredible controversy about the clinton foundation donors trying to get access to hillary clinton when she was secretary of state. >> absolutely. jack, let me bring you into this one, last week it was coffee with ivanka. does this raise concerns do you go with the whole thing? this is just politics but isn't it little hypocritical, he went after hillary clinton for doing the same thing during the campaign. >> gary is correct. presidents have been selling access since 1789 when george washington first took the oath, it's gone on 240 years, never stopped, probably never will stop. the reality is the country