you've got to look at this. >> michael. >> you've got to look -- >> after jack berkman, michael. , sir. what we used to call at the dog pound. jack, take it. >> recessions are needed, they're healthy and good, and we have to get rid of the weak underbrush of the world. >> michael, there is time now. one last bite, michael. go ahead. >> i think this is an extraordinary conversation. is anyone in touch with what has happened here over the past years? >> all right. yes, i'm extremely in touch. >> no! >> since obama became president, things have gone precipitously south. >> thank you very much for being here. you are all clear, except for mr. wolff who gets to come back and shout at me some more. and there is a lot more ahead tonight on "cnbc reports." >>> coming up, dennis is back to selling us hope. doom sayers, beware. the bears have made their case, now it's dennis's turn. >>> also tonight, jiffy care, a new private health care company modeled on the people who change the oil in your car. this is cnbc reports, and we're back in two minutes. you know, the beer you choose says lot a

jack berkman, don't you just love that goldman sachs? oh, you don't, do you? but i do.ead. >> no, i do love goldman. i've got to be honor, i think hagen's article is silly. i wouldn't have done t.a.r.p., t.a.r.p. is stupid. but if t.a.r.p. is out there, why in the world shouldn't goldman sachs take advantage of it? if the federal government is stupid enough to give a trillion and a half away to banks, goldman sachs is a model corporate citizen. i would have taken advantage of every single nickel i could. >> joe hagen, jack makes a good point. so what, goldman exploited the government programs. shouldn't it? >> well, it depends on what you think about the government's -- you know, who is working in government at the time, and whether they had goldman's interest in mind when they made some of those decisions. >> oh, you know what? this is like a classic print journalism thing, i'm going to put these stocks next to each other and then say interesting, huh? make your case, babe. if you're saying they were favored by government inn appropriately and improperly, then say it!

let's bring in the real deal squad, nancy skinner, and jack berkman, bomb throwing str strategist planned't know where to start but i think i will start with julie, i think i hear the silent scream of panic, if these guys aren't careful, health care will injure this guy of aura of invinceability. >> you're treating him like a george bush, dick cheney, still 50%. >> 49. >> you're saying the recession is over, we turned the corner, by those metrics barack obama's numbers will be moving through the roof. >> why aren't the poll numbers moving up. >> he is in a freefall. you have to go back to richard nixon to find somebody fallen so far so fast, from the mid-60s, high 60s to beneath 50, it's health care, health care, health care, you saw with axelrod, desperation is setting in. i couldn't believe he said this trying to scare the american people, if we don't fix health care, this will cause another serious recession. >> let me jump in here. i think the fear factors are terrible, nancy. >> freefall in the rasmussen poll always a little more conservative says 83% of democrats support him and 80%